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thanks everybody for your help. will leave it a while and think of another aproach. John

John, you've made an exhaustive search. Other people have looked also & nobody can come up with an answer.

I think you have to move on to another branch & let this one lie low for a while.

Ozi.

Just for reference are these the right people?

Births Mar 1892
Down Ada St. Olave 1d 225

Births Sep 1895
Down Victoria W. Ham 4a 308

Trying again; Will have to try a differant tack after today. John

Stll trying to find a wedding so I can get Cert to veryfy Perants of Mary Ann Cooper and Henry/Harry Down. Help

I have looked but with no luck. But I need to know can you help. John

John.
Have you looked on the full index for the marriage?

I have been searching for wedding of Mary Ann Cooper and Henry Down in or around 1889. I have also been looking for Marraige of Harry Down and Victoria which must have bee the same time. If you can help with this I would much appriciate it. John ( I have to take kids to bed now will look again later).

Thanks for looking, But according to 1911 Census they had been married 22 years and Ada their Eldest was was born in 1893. Iam trying myself but it is hard work and as I have said previously this has become a long time search. John

I'm on the hunt for a marriage. So far found this one:

Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
Cooper Mary Ann Leeds 9b 854 Scan available - click to view
Crowther Florence Leeds 9b 854 Scan available - click to view
DOWNES Harry Ernest Leeds 9b 854 Scan available - click to view
Orange Samuel Leeds 9b 854 Scan available - click to view

Jill

I have now spoken to my aged Uncle and he says he knew Mary Ann was His Nan. But did not know where Granddad came from as he did not remember an accent. I am still looking. If you con help let me know. John

Thanks Grace I agree,I Think I'm lucky that it is not Smith. But yhis is why I am asking for help. So I will keep trying and Hope I or someone out there can HELP. John

No luck vice versa.

I think they are the same family but I understand your reservations.

Perhaps Victoria was Harry's pet name for his wife & your grandmother was always told she was named after her. I was named for my mother's pet name.

Ozi.

I also need to know if Victoria and Harry Down appear in the 1891 census and 1911. As i cannot find them this may mean they are the same family with mistakes in the taking down of deatails in 1 or all 3. I can not find them is there any one out there who can.

Thank You for info on James Cooper, but I know that he could now be be my ancester, as I know that Mary Ann is my G. Grandmother from Nan's birth cert. What I am trying to find out is Where is Mary Ann and Henry/Harry in 1901 Census. John

Perhaps if you get James Cooper death cert the informant might be Mary Ann or Victoria daughter

Or death of Harry Down.
Harry Down about 1869 died 1916 mar qt St Marylebone gro ref 1a 673

Harry Down about 1870.died 1929 mar qt Camberwell gro ref 1d 1390.
So there are 2 Harry Down about the same age and dying in London area

I'm not sure how you're ever going to prove that.

Good luck,
Ozi.

I wondered about About James Cooper but all I know is that he was a seaman boarding with the family aged 70 Born in London. But I am more intterested in what happend to the Down family in 1901 where they my family or not. If not where were my family in 1901?? John

1891 England Census
Name: James Cooper
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 85 Rouel Rd

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 49
Mary Ann Cooper 47
William G Cooper 20
Arthur Webb 21 - boarder
Susan Simpson 45 - boarder



1901 England Census
Name: James Cooper
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 85 Rouel or Rowel Rd

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 59
Mary Ann Cooper 57
Florence Cooper 13 - grandaughter
Annie Collings 21 - visitor
George Matthew 46 - visitor

Do you know James's pob & occupation?

There's a possibility this is them.

1881 England Census
Name: James Cooper
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 16 Spa Road
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 39
Margaret Cooper 37
James Hy. Cooper 15
Mary Ann Cooper 13
Geo. Wm. Cooper 11


1871 England Census about James Cooper
Name: James Cooper
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 16 Spa Rd

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 29
Maryann Cooper 27
James H Cooper 18
Maryann Cooper 2
William G Cooper 4 months