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I have a mystery someone may be able to help me with. My G. Grandfather Frederick George Lathwell was born 15 April 1885 in Leighton Buzzard. On his birth certificate there is a name of the mother of Jane Lathwell I assumed it was her maiden name as there was no father in the birth certificate. I got the marriage certificate of Frederick George Lathwell 31 march 1907 in Hendon and on there he lists his father as George lathwell(deceased)

I cannot find the marriage of George and Jane anywhere, any ideas?

Thanks

Perhaps for the sake of decency he invented a father ?

Martyn, if there was no father's name then it would mean that the child was illegitimate.

I'm afraid that sometimes people did make up a father's name to put on a marriage certificate to avoid the stigma.

Try lookingin marriages for Jane Lathwell if she was married then there would be a record. However if it wasn't her maiden name then it's a no go, but the otheres are right they would put a name there for shame sake, they even lied about age when marrying a older man I have it in my tree. Your grandfathers wedding is registered tho as you said.

This could be his mother's birth (in which case she was not married and Lathwell is her maiden name):-

Name: Jane Lathwell
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Leighton Buzzard
County: Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 380

Kath. x

Found this on www.familysearch.org, Same people, different dates and churc hes?

JANE LATHWELL
Christening: 16 DEC 1864 All Saints, Leighton Buzzard, Bedford, England
Mother: SARAH LATHWELL

JANE LATHWELL
Christening: 18 APR 1870 Saint Andrew, Leighton Buzzard, Bedford, England
Mother: SARAH LATHWELL

Thanks all for your input. I had this mystery a few weeks ago when I got the bc of Frederick George Lathwell. As I said previously there was just Jane Lathwell on there as the mother. After that I got the bc of Jane b 16 Oct 1864 thinking she was the mother but then I got the marriage certificate of Frederick George Lathwell which had the fathers name of George and it threw me. I'm thinking now that was just a made up name as said on here and Jane was the mother so the Christening of Jane, in the same year 1864(noted by Selena), is the same person. Incidently the mother of Jane was Sarah Lathwell and guess what no father again. :-)

Thanks

Martyn

Couldn't find Jane or Sarah on the 1881 though :(

you might want to have a look at this 1871 couldn't find Sarah/Jane Lathwell but i wondered about this one as i could'nt see a birth for a Jane Major.Havent found a marriage but they may not have got married

Name: Jane Major
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Leighton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Leighton Buzzard
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
Town: Leighton

Name: Sarah Major
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Leighton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Leighton Buzzard
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
Town: Leighton
Household Members: Name Age
George Major 28
Sarah Major 27
Jane Major 8
Mary A Major 3
Minnie Major 9 months
will delete if i find it is not the right family

1881
George MAJOR Head W Male 38 Leighton, Bedford, England Labourer
Mary MAJOR Daur Female 13 Leighton, Bedford, England
Minnie MAJOR Daur Female 10 Leighton, Bedford, England Scholar
Thomas MAJOR Son Male 8 Leighton, Bedford, England Scholar
John MAJOR Son Male 6 Leighton, Bedford, England Scholar

looks like Sarah died

Deaths Mar 1880 Major Sarah 37 Leighton B. 3b 291
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Not sure if this is Jane - any thoughts?

Household:

Francis PRATT Head M Male 72 Leighton, Bedford, England Ag Lab
Martha PRATT Wife M Female 69 Leighton, Bedford, England
Charles SHARP Grand Son U Male 22 Leighton, Bedford, England Sand Dealer
Sarah A. SHARP Grand Daur U Female 19 Leighton, Bedford, England Plaiter (Straw)
Jane MAJOR Grand Daur U Female 18 Leighton, Bedford, England Plaiter (Straw)
William SHARP Grandson Male 4 Leighton, Bedford, England Scholar

Dwelling Workhouse Lane
Census Place Leighton Buzzard, Bedford, England

Where is he in 1891 and 1901?

Rose

I like the idea of a George Lathwell existing as I have one that fits the bill. All that is missing is Jane whoever marriage to George

George Lathwell b 1866 Leighton Buzzard d 1902 Hendon
1871 census Leighton Buzzard
1881 census Hendon
1901 census Hendon.

What doesn't fit in:

no marriage to Jane
Frederick George Lathwell b 1885 Leighton Buzzard but he was in Hendon.
Maybe they split up and she went back to home.

Does this age fit in though?

Deaths Dec 1902
Lathwell George 37 Hendon 3a 159

EDIT:

He is living in Middlesex in 1881

William LATHWELL Head M Male 35 Eggington, Bedford, England Agricultual Labourer
Emma LATHWELL Wife M Female 36 Leighton Buz, Bedford, England
George LATHWELL Son U Male 15 Leighton Buz, Bedford, England Agricultual Labourer
William LATHWELL Son U Male 13 Leighton Buz, Bedford, England Agricultual Labourer
Henry LATHWELL Son U Male 10 Leighton Buz, Bedford, England Scholar
Thomas REED Lodger U Male 17 Leighton Buz, Bedford, England Agricultual Labourer

Dwelling The Hyde Alley
Census Place Kingsbury, Middlesex, England

Yes it does, B abt 1866 d abt 1902

It would fit if Jane Lathwell was her married name as well
Frederick George Lathwell b 1885 m 1907 George Lathwell deceased.

Oops, sorry you probably have that. Maybe he popped back in 85 to see grandparents and met Jane?

1911 if you want to get credits to look at the infoHOUSEHOLD LATHWELL FREDERICK GEORGE M 1886 25 Hendon Middlesex
LATHWELL FREDERICK JAMES M 1911 2 MONTHS Hendon Middlesex
LATHWELL MIRIAM F 1887 24 Hendon Middlesex
LATHWELL MIRIAM ELIZABETH F 1909 2 Hendon Middlesex

List of Lathwell /Jane
LATHWELL ELIZABETH JANE F 1894 17 Camberwell London


LATHWELL JANE F 1861 50 Croydon Surrey


LATHWELL JANE F 1870 41 Leighton Buzzard Bedfordshire

LATHWELL JANE ETHEL MARY F 1887 24 Belper Derbyshire


LATHWELL SRAH JANE F 1875 36 Leighton Buzzard Bedfordshire

That was my thinking and I have all that in my tree. The mystery is the marriage(if it happened) and what happened to Jane. It could also be George Lathwell married Jane lathwell and that was her maiden name as well. There are a lot of Lathwells in Leighton Buzzard and Eggington(village 3 miles away).

Yes Janice I have that.

1911 if you want to get credits to look at the infoHOUSEHOLD LATHWELL FREDERICK GEORGE M 1886 25 Hendon Middlesex
LATHWELL FREDERICK JAMES M 1911 2 MONTHS Hendon Middlesex
LATHWELL MIRIAM F 1887 24 Hendon Middlesex
LATHWELL MIRIAM ELIZABETH F 1909 2 Hendon Middlesex

Miriam Elizabeth Lathwell was my grandmother.

The only thing that makes me a little bit unsure is the birth certificate with no father on it!

Who are the witnesses on Fred's marriage certificate - any family members?

Is this a possibility if they separated? Bit young perhaps?

Deaths Dec 1922
Lathwell Jane 52 Ampthill 3b 368

Witnesses on Frederick George Lathwells marriage certificate to Miriam Perkins

William Wetter
Constance Ellacott