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Hi

From My Great Great Grandfathers marriage certificate which I have recently recieved, I have discovered that his father was George Edwards, a Brewers Assistant.

George would have been born circa 1844 (give or take 10 years) - My Gt Gt Grandfather was born in 1883 but I dont' know if he was the youngest or oldest - (or even only) child!

As George Edwards is quite a common name and I am not sure which area the family are from, is there a way I can limit the search by using his occupation?

thanks
Lianne

You can search the 1881 census by occupation on Ancestry - not sure about other sites.

Have you tried looking for the family on the 1891 census? That would give you George's age and POB and would also show any other children.

Some brewer's with surname Edwards coming up in the 1881 but no George!

Would you like to post details of the marriage certificate, including year, place and witnesses.
Sometimes it's easier to help if one has the full picture.

Gwyn

Where were they married?

Georges son was Arthur Edwards

He married Rachel Dayer (a widow who was born Rachel Plunkett in Liverpool) at the registry office in Liverpool in 1927. Arthur was not married before according to the marriage cert.

They had been together for at a least 16 years and had 7 children together before they actually got married. Their son (Arthur Thomas Edwards - my G Grandfather) was born in May 1911.

I cant find Arthur and Rachel on on the 1911 census, however I am waiting for the Wales info to become available as I believe they may have perhaps come from Wales or at least spent some time there as Rachel first husband (Edgar Dayer) who died in 1909 was from Monmouthshire.

thanks all

Is this Arthur's birth reg, in Cardiff:

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
Edwards Arthur T Cardiff 11a 506

Sorry Potty - it is confusing

Arthur Thomas Edwards was born May 1911 in Liverpool (I have his birth cert)

Arthur Thomas' Father was Arthur Edwards born circa 1883/4 - from his age at the time of marriage but dont know where - (no middle name ever given)

Arthur's Father was George Edwards- unsure of his DOB or POB but his occupation on his sons marriage cert (in 1927) was given as a brewers assistant

Marriages Mar 1927 (>99%)
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DAYER Rachel EDWARDS W. Derby 8b 624
EDWARDS Arthur DAYER W. Derby 8b 624


The district W.derby is an alternative name for West Derby and it is in the county of Lancashire

THE WIDOW


Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
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DAYER Edgar Liverpool 8b 116
PLUNKETT Rachael Liverpool 8b 116


The district Liverpool is an alternative name for Liverpool and it is in the county of Lancashire

Births Sep 1911 (>99


Edwards Arthur T Plunkett W.Derby 8b 650

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
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EDWARDS Arthur W. Derby 8b 276

Thanks Sablon

I have the marriage cert for Arthur and Rachel and also the birth cert for Arthur Thomas.

It's more info George and Arthur senior I am looking to find so I can get a bit more info on the family. As it stands I dont know Georges wifes name or theor other children, if there was any.

thanks
Lianne

Hi All

Sorry to keep batting on about this one but I truly am stuck and it's the only lead I have to the Edwards side of my tree. It should be a big part of my tree and t's just so frustrating as I have done really really well with most of the other branches !

From my Great Great Grandfathers (Arthur Edwards) marriage certificate to Rachel Dayer in 1927, I have discovered that his father was George Edwards, a Brewers Assistant.

Arthur and Rachel were 42 and 41 years old when they were married and had been together for at least 16 years.
(Rachel was widow and was born Rachel Plunkett, (in Liverpool) her first huband, Edgar Dayer, Died in 1909 - Arthur was not married before)



Anyway - the person I am really looking for is George Edwards - he would have been born circa 1844 (give or take 10 years) - Arthur was born in 1883 but I dont' know if he was the youngest or oldest - (or even only) child!

As George Edwards is quite a common name and I am not sure which area the family are from, is there a way I can limit the search by using his occupation?

I have trawled through the Census' lookking for him but cant seem to put my finger on him - any ideas please?

Thanks again
Lianne

Could this be Arthur (Senior) in 1901?

1901 Bootle 65 Queen St
William Williams 42 Geneal Carter b L'pool
Emma 41 wife b L'pool
Elizabeth Rushton 22 niece Housemaid b L'pool
Thomas Edwards 22 nephew Dock Labourer b Bootle
ARTHUR Edwards nephew 18 App. Machinist b Bootle
plus 4 boarders

And could this be a possible for George?
1881 Kirkdale , Liverpool
George Edwards 59 Brewers Assistant b Denbighshire Wales
Ellen 45 wife b St Asaph
Elizabeth A 23 Pupil Teacher b Manchester
Amelia 21 Dressmaker b Liverpool
Eleanor 17 Pupil teacher bLiverpool
Geoge H 7 grandson b Liverpool

BUT in 1891 George, Ellen and married daughter Mary J O'Brien are in Everton where he now says he is a brewer and ther is no Arthur present -was he with another uncle?

In case this turns out to be the right George here he is in 2earlier cenusues
1871 Kirkdale
George Edwards 48 Brewer B Isacoed Denbighshire
Eleanor 36 wife b Mold Flintshire
Matthew H 18 Fireman b manchester
Elizabeth 13 b Manchester
Amelia 11 b Manchester
Eleanr 7 b Everton
Mary J 4 b Kirkdale

1861 Manchester
George Edwardes(sic) 39 Brewer b Denbighshire
Ellen 26 wife b Mold Flintshire
Matthew h 8 b Manchester
Elizabeth A 3 b Manchester
Amelia 1 b Manchester

Thanks Gillian!

The Queen Street Bootle in 1901 is only a few streets away from where my grandad grew up - so a real posibility.

Regarding George - the occupation and move to liverpol fit in - but frustratingly there is no Arthur! I will try and look into it futher


I'm still looking on the 1911 census as I am determined to find them - just need to wait for waled to become availabel to be sure!

thanks again
lianne

Bummer!

Just found the Arthur Edwards from Queens Road on the 1911 census and he married to a Celia Nora Edwards and they have a 1 month old son!

Looks like its not my Arthur afterall!

thanks anyway
Lianne

Why are you ruling him out, Lianne? This would be exactly what I would expect to find in a case where the marriage was so long delayed. The existence of a prior marriage in days when divorce was out of the question for any but the very rich often meant that the parties to the new relationship had to wait long years until the previous partner died,Have you looked for the death of the wife shown 1911 -if it was shortly before the marriage to Rachel that would clinch it