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On Arthut and Rachel's mariage certificate he is listed as a bachelor while she is a widow - does this mean that he was never married before?

Also I know that Rachel and Arthur were togther in 1911 as this is when their son - Arthur Thomas was born (I have his birth certificate) They had 7 children together by the time they got married in 1927

I am confused now -you said it was Arthur (Senior ) who was BORN 1883 and his son Arthur Thomas was Born 1911 -now you say Racel and Arthur were together in 1883 and Arth ur Thomas was born 1883??
I was working on the hypthesis that Arthur Senior was born 1883 and married Celia,had a child with her then left her for Rachel,with whom he had a son and more children
Yes if he was honest the style bachelor would mean he had not been married before but he might not have been honest

I am not saying that this scenario is correct but just cautioning you not to discard it out of hand

Sorry Gillian, My wrong - getting confused
I have corrected the date

It could be the case but would be strange as this Arthur & Celia are living only a few streets away from where my Arthur and Rachel would have lived?! This is getting interesting!

thanks again
Lianne

This is beginning to bug me too!
Just a small point -the "one month" bit on the 1911 census is a reference to how long they have been marrried which was a new requirement in 1911.It doesnt mean they had a child of that age and there is no child listed
That Arthur and wife Celia Nora (Thorne ) married 1910 Dec Q West Derby
No one seems to have asked you what Arthur Seniors profession was on his marriage cert to compare with what we know about the Bootle street guy
I am still convinced that the George I found is the right one, given the name age place and occupation all match but why is Arthur not with them in 1891 or 1901. One possibility could be that he was not in fact the child of George and Ellen but the illegitimate child of one of their daughters but claimed as George and Ellens for respectability reasons (this often happened in those days) and was then farmed out to a relative
I will see if I can find the family link between the Arthur Edwards in Bootle street and William Wiliiams the uncle he lives with

Sadly I think we now have to rule out altogether the Arthur in Bootle as I have found him in 1891 wrongly transcribed as Arthur EDWARD and he was the son of William and Ellen and ha d siblings who include the Thomas shown with him in 1901 at his uncles house.
So back to the drawing board and what was your Arthurs occupation please?

This is the full details of the marriage cert:

17th January 1927 at West Derby Register Office

Arthur Edwards (42 years) a Bachelor. Occupation is Dock Labourer. Address is 98 MIllers Bridge, Bootle. Father is George Edwards (deceased) a Brewers Maltster.

Rachel Dayer (41 years) a Widow. Address is 92a Millers Bridge, Bootle. Father is Ralph Plunkett, a Cotton Porter.

Witnesses to the wedding were WIllaim John McDonald and Naamah Bennett
(Naamah is Rachels (married) sister - no idea who WIlliam John Mcdonlad is)

I have looked at the 4 daughters of George and Ellen Edwards and Mary Jane married James O'Brien and had 5 children at 1901
Eleanor is unmarrried and teaching at a National Board School in Somerset in 1891
Amelia married Andrew Milroy Miller 1883 West Derby and is living Bootle 1891 and there are no children 1891 or 1901
Elizabeth Ann married Walter Philip Pickles 1883 West derby -he was a joiner and builder fom Halifax Yorkshire -but none of these searches throw up any sign or hint of an Arthur Edwards

I have loked at George Edwards wife's family (she was Ellen Daviies befor marriage in 1852 in Manchester and was born Mold Flintshire to see if Arthur was farmed out there but no joy
Sorry I couldnt solve it for you!

Thanks anyway Gillian - at least you have definitely ruled this one out for me - WIll keep looking

thanks
Lianne