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hi kath yes robert & hannah were my gt grandparents i knew them as a child hannah was younger ? second wife . also came across 3 isabellas .which 2 were young . and 1 born1838 all lived in oxhill. as my grandmother did. 1 isabella had middle name simpson???possible from roberts first wife . yes ninjalady says same household as they were in your 1911 census. but yours is more detailed and i know they lived in oxhill co durham. edmund gateshead looks to be the right one thank again ed ps pity not stated cripple as i have seen photo of him standing on brick as he had one leg shorter than the other

This could be him in the 1901 census (He is in a home for destitute boys, so could have been a runaway from there as you thought he may have been a runaway):-


Name: Edwd Jas Wild
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Devon, England
Civil Parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: Tower Street

Occupation: Errand Boy

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank C Stanbrook 48
Elizabeth Ann Stanbrook 44
Ernest Frank Stanbrook 13
Richard Lewis Stanbrook 10
Ronald Cecil Stanbrook 9
Louisa M Sayers 17
Mary I Early 46
Rose Ann Owens 18
Matthew Baettenden 28
Thomas S MacKay 19
George Wonn 18
Donald Rippon 20
Alexander Manson 18
James Hoggins 18
Charles Robt Harrison 17
William Foreback 17
Joseph S Newton 16
Stephen Levison 15
William Sinclair 17
Robert Nicol 19
John J Wilson 19
James Bell 18
Sydney J Hoff 17
James Connell 19
James A Moffitt 18
William Robson 17
William H Bell 18
John T Stewart 19
James Weiss 16
Thomas Barkus 16
Albert Halden 16
Wm A Mills 14
Philip Mills 15
James Forsyth 15
Henry Longstaff 14
Edwd Jas Wild 12
Geo Hy Thompson 15
Charles H Allison 16
Robert Caseley 13
Ges R Clifford 14
John T Rose 12
Fredk Wm Walker 13
Frank Walker 11
Chas I Neall 13
Ralph Marr 12
Edward Marr 10

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4784; Folio: 81; Page: 9.

Kath. x

I wonder if this is him in the 1891 census:-

Name: Edward Wilde
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Nurse Child
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidans
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 128 St. Cuthbert's Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Henry Clark 45
Margaret Clark 41
Mary Clark 13
Henry Clark 11
Moris Amelia Clark 9
Edward Wilde 2

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4177; Folio 92; Page 7; GSU roll: 6099287.

Kath. x

This is a possible for Edmund's birth (the names Edmund and Edward were often interchanged in the past):-

Name: James Edward Wild
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 841

You would need the Edmund's marriage certificate to see if he names his father.

Kath. x

Hi Edwin,

I looked at the transcript for the 1911 census and this looks like your family.

Edmund James Wilde, is single aged 21 and says he was born in Gateshead, Co. Durham. His occupation is Coal Miner Putter.

He is a visitor with Robert and Hannah Trueman (who would possibly be your mother's grandparents and therefore your great-grandparents) at 85 Joicey Terrace, Oxhill, Stanley.

Robert is aged 41 and a Coal Miner Hewer from Collieryley (?)
Hannah is aged 36 from Beamish and they have been married 11 years.
It's possible that Hannah is Robert's second wife as Isabella would have been older than 11, or perhaps they had children before they were married.

UPDATE - Sorry - this may be the wrong family as I have just noticed that Edmund and Isabella have already been found by NinjaLady in the 1911 census living in the same household.

Kath. x

hi kath yes you are right these are my uncles who i knew .they have all now deceased .fred being added to grave stone in 2003. my mother was the only girl born 1915.i have not yet got mothers birth cert but these are her brothers thanks again ed

According to the 1911 census Edmund James Wilde who was living in Lanchester was born 1890.

This is the only birth I can find (but the names are the other way round):-

Name: James Edmund Wilde
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6b
Page: 577

Kath. x

This looks like the birth of their children:-

Name: Abraham T Wilde
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trueman
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1917
Registration district: Lanchester
Registration county: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 498

Name: Edmund J Wilde
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trueman
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1920
Registration district: Lanchester
Registration county: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 671

Name: Frederick Wilde
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trueman
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1925
Registration district: Lanchester
Registration county: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 533

Name: Ronald Wilde
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trueman
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1929
Registration district: Lanchester
Registration county: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 477

Kath. x

isabella wild has husband edmund james on her grave stone [[ i got william wrong ]] now looking for edmund thanks again to all ed

The only way to be certain is to buy your mother's birth certificate - the details have already been given for this.

Kath. x

thanks to you all for your help ...i am now not sure of grandfathers name. i also have seen 2 isabells in 1901 census. both born oxhill co durham. where my mother jessie did live for sure . 1 isabell [s ]aged 3. the other aged 10 . there also is a isabella aged 63 oxhill . now confused over isabells as well as grandfather thanks again ed

Okay, we have some deaths for infant Edmund Wilds

Deaths Mar 1888 (99%)
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WILD Edmund 1 Gateshead 10a 446
WILD Edmund 0 Bolton 8c 204

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Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)
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WILD Edmund 0 Sheffield 9c 233


So, the Gateshead and Sheffield Edmund Wild's are out of the equation.
I also think we can discount the Edmund Wilde born in Bolton - probably a mis-spelling by the registrar that registered the death.

That just leaves these two as the 1890/1891 Edmunds would be too young:-

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Wilde Edmund Shoreditch 1c 129
Wilde Edmund Hatfield Northallerton 9d _35

Three Edmund Wilds born

Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
WILD Edmund Gateshead 10a 833

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Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
Wild Edmund Sheffield 9c 477

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Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
Wild Edmund Rochdale 8e 15


And 4 Edmund Wilde

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Wilde Edmund Shoreditch 1c 129
Wilde Edmund Hatfield Northallerton 9d _35

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Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
Wilde Edmund Bolton 8c 323

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Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
Wilde Edmund Prescot 8b 675

I think the ones in 1890 and 1891 are too late though.

The one born in Gateshead looks promising and could be traced on the census but you would really need the marriage certificate to confirm his father.

1911 census

HOUSEHOLD TRUEMAN ISABELLA F 1887 24 Lanchester Durham
HOUSEHOLD WILD EDMUND JAMES M 1889 22 Lanchester Durham

These two people are living in the same household in 1911.

i am only 100 pc of my grandmother .isabella trueman my grandfather i did not know. had heard of a billy ??i only heard that he was a runaway before he met gran. they lived in stanley co durham. think i picked up william and thought stanley co durham .not yorkshire i only know he also was a miner.looks like castleford is wrong?? how confusing . my mother was jessie wild born 1915 oxhill stanley co durham thanks ed

If you work backwards from yourself, is it Isabella Trueman or William Wild that you are certain is your ancestor, and where did they live?

As already stated Isabella did not marry William, she married Edmund, and there is nothing to connect Isabella to the William Wild on the 1901 census born in Castleford.

Kath. x

Here are three William Wilds born c1877 in Yorkshire on the 1911 census

HOUSEHOLD WILD WILLIAM M 1876 35 Huddersfield Yorkshire West Riding

HOUSEHOLD WILD WILLIAM M 1879 32 Dartford Kent

HOUSEHOLD WILD WILLIAM OGDEN M 1874 37 Dewsbury Yorkshire West Riding

I think we can discount the last one due to the middle name. The second one also doesn't look likely but he may just have moved.

It might be worth paying to view the transcript for the first entry to see if this is your man.

Isabella Trueman married Edmund Wilde.


Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)


Trueman Isabella S Wilde Lanchester 10a 686
WILDE Edmund J Trueman Lanchester 10a 686

If you use Free BMD and click on the ref no it brings up the other names .

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

So, are you looking for William or Edmund?


Christine

Edwin

I think there is a little confusion here. These are the marriage details for the marriage given below

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
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CUSKEARN James Wade Lanchester 10a 686
Trueman Isabella S Wilde Lanchester 10a 686
Wade Margaret A Cuskearn Lanchester 10a 686
WILDE Edmund J Trueman Lanchester 10a 686

As you can see, this is a registration for an Edmund Wilde not William Wild. So, I don't think this is a marriage for your man I'm afraid.

i have not got marriage cert but on ancestry.com isabella s trueman marriage index 1912 spouse wilde thanks ed