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Thanks Julie for all your help, i agree names handed down makes things so much easier.

Thanks again

Heidi xx

Well done

I saw that marriage for Sarah to Andrew and did wonder seeing as Elizabeth had a son called Andrew but cos i couldn't see them together on the census i wasn't sure. Now that at least puts Elizabeth in Cardiff..but still no sign of a marriage

Some people hate naming patterns but i love em as it makes it easier to search

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Hi Julie,

Johnson family 1881

Name: Charles J.G. Johnson
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiff

Civil Parish: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: No 1 Dock Gardens
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Johnson 38
Elizbth. T. Johnson 11
Charles J.G. Johnson 6



Elizabeth and Charles father was Andrew Johnson mother was Sarah Goodland married 14th dec 1868 Clifton

Charles John G Johnson was born in cardiff i think dec 1874

Hope this helps, i just cant find mother, father, or brother after 1881.

Thanks for all your on going help

Heidi

I can't find them on the 1881 so what i would do is get Elizabeths B/C to see what her dads name was & try to use that to help find them in the 1881

Looks like we can discount the Thomas Cook marriage in 1886 as this is the missing spouse

Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
LLEWELLYN Rose Cardiff 11a 369

Thank you Julie.

I agree, i better get some dinner on too. I am enjoying the peace and quite today as hubby ha taken the 4 kids down to visit their nan for the day.
It's been bliss hahaha,

I will be back in an hour or two.

thank you everyone again for all of your help.

No worries Heidi

I need to put me dinner on
Sarah is down as married but i need to do some more digging..i'll have to come back to this later

Juie,

You are a star, spot on.

I can not thank you enough

Heidi xx

heres Elizabeth's birth so we know her Birth year is about right & she wasn't married before

Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
Johnson Elizabeth Thirza Clifton 6a 61
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1871

Elizabeth T Johnson
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifton
Civil Parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 290
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Johnson 22
Elizabeth T Johnson 1

Thank you blossom

Thank you Juile for Looking.

Astra,

May explain if was John Sidney or Sidney John, Why the name John was so important in the family. Thank you for looking.

I cant thank you all enough for trying to help me, thank you so much.

Heidi x

I've looked at the image on freebmd and it certainly looks like 3_9, and I've tried everything from 309 to 399 and no Elizabeth Johnson at all.

Got to go out, will try again later.

Hi Blossom,

it's so frustrating, i thought it was the marriage.
But i can't find Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Moved between Clifton and Cardiff, her brother was born i Cardiff.
Though i can not find her family after her marriage, i was more interested when Elizabeth was. Her father Andrew was in the Navy. And as far as i know it was only her and her brother Charles John G Johnson. In 1881 she is with her mother at Dock Gardens in Clifton, her mother was Sarah Johnson nee Goodland.
But i would really like to know where they got married, but i think Julie maybe right, they may not have registered the marriage, or even got married at all.
I thought if i had it, it would prove once and for all if Sidney was his father.

Heidi xx

Not at all sure about this one for 1871: EDIT Just checked and both Celia and Leah were born in Chardstock so it would appear to be the same couple.
Could Sidney be John Sidney .
Minnie Cook
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John S
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: Crewkerne, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Crewkerne
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
Town: Crewkerne
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Crewkerne
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
John S Cook 30
Leah Cook 36
Emma Cook 13
Minnie Cook 10
Thomas Cook 8
John Cook 6
Bessie Cook 1

I have just looked to see if there is an Elizabeth in the same Qtr for that marriage that Blossom found and there isn't

Also looked at the image for Thomas in that marriage and you can't make out the middle number

Oh no, that's all right! Yes, I tried cross referencing as well but I can't find Elizabeth Johnson at all.

Sorry Blossom,

Im not very quick at typing, i hope you dont mind waiting for me to catch up
Heidi x

Blossom,

that is the one i keep coming up with, but when i go to the images and look under Johnson, there is nothing there for Elizabeth. The date and place is perfect.
Do you think it is worth me applying for that certificate anyway?
It may come back with the result i need.

Astra,

I have not seen that image before, it looks like he was called Thomas all his life. Maybe thats why he used Thomas on everything up untill his death, in 1942 i guess he would have needed his birth cert to reg the death, maybe that why it has his correct name.

What about the Cardiff marriage?