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Aye those were the days!
must go up and have a wander round.margaret

Helen- great advice to contact the church re birth record for Helen Thanks.Will also contact owner of tree you suggested
rootgatherer I,m not sure where Swan St was but I do have some Mairs north of the river including Port Dundas so it could well be the one you know of.
Thanks to you both for all your hard work,help and advice.You've been wonderful. I'm now going to spend time consolidating my info and filing gaps before moving on.Having only recently discovered the poor law records and realising how great they are I think I'll need to take my bed to the Mitchell as I have rather a lot of Mairs on my Tree!!! Also need to get a grasp of ancestry!
Thanks again. Best wishes to you both. Margaret

Margaret,

The tree on Ancestry belongs to someone called 'Ann Marie' Mair. Through her husband's family.

If you go to 'search trees' on Genes, and enter Helen Lochrie's name, you will find a tree belonging to 'Ann Marie'

Probably the same person and might be worth contacting if you want to take the connection further.

Rootsgatherer:
Sorry about the gender mix-up.
Sharing credit with you on the research. It's all coming together nicely.

Linda -thanks will give that a go.
I very much appreciate the help you have given me.Your suggestions and advice etc. have been invaluable. I couldn' t have got as far as I have wihout the input of people like you and Helen. I am very grateful.
Best wishes. Margaret

Hi Linda thanks again for coming to my aid. My grandfather did appear to lose touch with his father but I'm not sure when.On his poor relief application in 1915 it shows the death of his mother in woodilee and that whereabouts of his father were unknown. heard many years ago that there had been some sort of split in the family but no-one knew who why or when (typical family legend).This must have been it.maybe the 2nd wife was on the scene before Helen died.....probably I'll never know.
I can match nearly all the Mairs on the list you gave me (including my own mother!) So am assuming that the others are some I haven' t come accross yet. I will check them out.It was just a long shot that henry would be the "missing link" to the Eaglesham Mairs speculation.have had a go on ancestrylibrary at the mitchell but find it very difficult to navigate- but hopefully practice will make perfect !! Margaret

Helen thank you so much for all your input , ideas and support. I couldn't have done it without your help.I really am very grateful. Glasgow certainly has done a great job in preserving the past for us and as you said it makes us very grateful for what we have. however without people like you and rootgatherer helping us out we would only see a very small part of the picture.. thank you again. Best wishes Margaret

Margaret,

I'm delighted for you !!!

This is where the Poor Law records come into their own. If it wasn't for these records, all that valuable information would be lost. Well done Glasgow for preserving such a rich collection from the past.

Surely those of us who come from humble backgrounds must be the envy of those more affluent in regards to gaining info from Poor records I have had heaps of data from the poor law and know the thrill of finding my ancestors stories there ... sad for them but lucky of us.

Not sure how RC records work, but there may be a way of tracing Helen's baptism. As the family appear to have always lived in the Gorbals area you might be able to find records for the local church of that time. Ask at the Mitchell, they might be able to advise you.

That's an interesting story about the Eaglesham connection. I think it must have been Rootsgatherer who passed that info on. I'll leave it to him to check up on that for you.

Helen

This is going off at a tangent here and is a bit of along shot but I noticed in the Mair info you gave me that my grandfather Alxander Mair's1/2 brother died in Busby(near Eaglesham). I was born and brought up in Eaglesham where there was a large family of Mairs.They always felt there was a connection between our families but never could work out where (no GR in those days!). I wondered if the ancestry tree you used showed any connection with the Eaglesham Mairs.If possible I would love to know if they were right and where the connection is.margaret

Eureka !!! I've found her. I can't believe I missed it before I thought I had tried every combination.. Was at mitchell this morning and had another look at poor laws and thereshe was.She applied on 11/4/1879 age 56,widowed and living in Bedford St with her 2 sons- daughter helen married and living wth Alex. mair and 2 children at 10 Swan St
She was the daughter of Peter Lochrie (carter) and helen Dougan both deceased. born at bedford lane No date given.She was R.C.so that's probably why we couldn't find any record.
I didn't have a lot of time as I had an appointment but will check again for anythig else when I go back to collect the copies.Thanks again for all your help and support Margaret

Thanks Helen.I've had a look at the death cert.for Helen Lochrie 1898 on SP. It was for a child 11 months old the illegitimate daughter of charles Cole and Catherine Lochrie.It was worth a shot though. I've tried to find a 2nd marriage for Helen without any luck.She remains a bit of a mystery.
The info about helen Mair's death cert. was great. I've tried so many times to find it and I've now got it printed off thanks to you.I'll keep trying for helen lochrie now there's another spelling variation!! Will keep you posted Regards Margaret

Had a look at the family tree on Ancestry that Rootsgatherer mentioned:

They have actually put the death certificate for Helen Mair on the record.

Details:

Death: 17th January 1898 at 10.25am
Helen Mair age 42yrs
Woodilee Asylum Lenzie
Father: ---- Daily (Carter)
Mother: Helen Daily (ms Lochrey)
Both deceased
Cause of death: Pernicious Anaemia Indefinite
Informant: Attendant

The question now is ... If Helen Mair died in January 1898 and the certificate says her mother is deceased at this point, the Helen Lochrie mentioned in the 1898 death on Scotlandspeople would need to have died before the 17th January of the same year.

Failing that, it looks as if she possibly died between the last sighting of her in 1881 and the 1891 census.

Margaret,

Think I've found the death for Helen Mair

Helen Mair
1898
County: Dunbarton
District: Kirkintilloch

If Helen died in Woodilee, that would come under the Dunbarton area.

Margaret,

I know what you mean regarding the difference in birth years for Helen. So far, she has given 1821 … 1826 and now possibly 1829.

Just say for talking sake she IS the person in the 1891 census .. born 1829.

I had a look on Scotlandspeople for Helen Lochrie / Daillie (with variations on Daillie) between 1891 and 1901.

There was one came up for:

Helen Lochrie (Couldn’t get the name Daillie as a cross reference)
Died: 1898
Hutchesontown
Glasgow

Had a look into the index to see if there was another name mentioned.

Found: Helen Lochrie / Cole
No age given … but obviously if she had two names mentioned that must mean she had been married.

If this was my own research, I think I’d be tempted to have a look at the certificate so see who had registered the death and where the death took place.
Also to have a proper look at the name Cole to satisfy myself it really was Cole and not mistranscribed.

Might not come to anything and I know it costs credits, but you never know.

Rootgatherer Unfortunately I haven't been able to find Helen Mair's death cert. I got the info from a poor law record for her son Alexander and also on copies of case notes and post mortem from Woodilee where she died.Nothing mentioned in either about her parents. I got their names from her marriage cert..
Helen so far I haven't found any Mc Canns in my research. However her name along with the area look hopeful.maybe Helen was born in Ireland and the families connected in some way. Also occupation of carter was very common in my branch of Mairs so maybe a connection there.the only thing is age she was 60 in 81 census and 62 in 91 although I know they rounded them and sometimes it was just a rough guess.
will continue plugging away meantime Thanks for all your help and ideas. will keep you posted Margaret

Just for interest and reference: Here is John McCann in the 1881 census.


1881 Scotland Census
about John McCann
Name: John McCann
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil Parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 179 Main St
Occupation: Carter
ED: 43
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881_247
Household Members:
Name Age
John McCann 51
Ellen McCann 54
John McCann 23
Joseph McCann 20
Mary McCann 16

In 1871 this family were living in the Calton.
In 1861 they were living off the Gallowgate.

Just wondering if you might have any McCann's in your extended research. This might be Ellen Daly visiting overnight.


1891 Scotland Census
about Ellen Daly
Name: Ellen Daly
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire -
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 55 So Wellington St
ED: 52
Household schedule number: 84
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1891_287
Household Members:
Name Age
John McCann 64
Joseph McCann 30
Ellen Daly 62

John Mc Cann was born in Ireland.

Again, we're in the Gorbals / Hutchesontown area of Glasgow.

Brilliant Rootgatherer-I had quite a lot of the info you have given me but you have filled quite a few gaps for me.I really appreciate your help. The spellings of names can be a nightmare.I have found some of my Mairs under Muir but this is a first for Mayor.I've been plugging away at Helenstill but not getting very far.Ifound aHelen Lochore in 1841 census age 15 living in parliament Rd with James Neilson 65,margaret Neilson 60 ,John lochore 11 Lean Lochore 9 and David Paterson 70. It looks a bit like children living with grandparents .don't really think it's my Helen but it's an interesting way of spelling Lochrie! Thanks again, you and Helen have been great. will keep you posted.margaret

Thanks Helen.your quick reply took me by surprise as I had just edited my last response to mention91 census. Glad you feel that the 81 is right and it gives me a better chanceof finding out more about helen.Once again thanks for all your help. Will let you know how I get on.Regards Margaret

I've had another look into the 1881 census and you are right in thinking the Mayors are family.

Ellen: Daughter
Alex: Son in law
Children: Grandchildren

Margaret McNeil is a Boarder and she comes from Ireland.

At least from this census, you know Helen is still alive at this point and this helps narrow down her death date.

I've had a look for her in the 1891 census ... and as far as I can see, she is not registered.

thanks Helen the 1881 census result you found looks very interesting.It looks a very possible match. The mrs Daly could be helen lochrie.Ellen could be her daughter and alex, could be her husband alex.Mair. Wm age 8 fits with info I have on their family(from 1891 census) .Theother names I have were all born after 1881. These include anAlex.(MyG grandfather) b.1888 and an ellen/helen b.abt.1887.So if this is the right family i would assume that the Alex. and Ellen mentioned in the census died young.I have no info about Agnes.I feel I have seen the name Mc neil somewhere so will have to search through my "jigsaw" box!! Thanks again, your help is much appreciated.Regards Margaret