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No, no death. Strange huh?
Unsure how Alice met Frederick John (my Grandad) but there are stories that they met in Glasgow and he used to WALK back and forth from London to Glasgow to see her until eventually taking her back to London to get married and settle there. As my Dad was born in 1932, he would have been 2 1/2 when his Mum and Dad were married. Now in his late 70s he has just had a visit from some of his brothers and sisters (all younger) who I think mentioned that he doesn't look like any of them. Poor Dad, got me to thinking... Although he is the oldest, Dad didn't even know Alice had been married to anyone other than his Father - until very recently...

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Yes, just saw that one. I do believe that the McNiven family all came from Perth in Scotland though. All of my Grandmothers family (Scott) were from Glasgow. The Mckenna's originated from Ireland and then over to London around 1901. They have remained there ever since (except Dad who went to Newcastle around the 1950s).

Although Peter McNiven was born in Scotland,

Just wondered if the reason a death can't be found for Peter in Scotland is that he died in England.

Thought maybe he and Alice decided to move there after they were married.

Anything is possible, it would certainly account for how Alice met Fred! Not sure I could see her moving back to Glasgow on her own though (if she and Peter had moved and then he had died) and then having a baby in Glasgow (Dad was born there) and returning to London with baby and soon-to-be hubby 'in tow'. Like I say, anything is possible...

Yes, I see what you mean with all the coming and going.

However, I looked for the Peter (W) McNiven mentioned in the death for 1930 ... born c.1896 .

I would have expected to find him in the 1901 census in England ... but there's no sign.

Not that it proves anything but it's another wee bit of information to keep aside and ponder over.

Blimey O Riley, these Peter McNiven's are nothing short of figments haha. I will keep looking. I believe he was a book-seller so if he was selling encylopaedia's, perhaps he wanted to try out a few of the routes!

Unfortunately, as you know, the only way to prove or disprove the theory that Peter McNiven died in England in 1930 .... is to buy the certificate which should register his father's name.

Pity they're so expensive compared to 5 shots at Scotlandspeople for the same money.


Found a birth on Scotlandspeople:

Peter McNiven
1897
County: Perth
District: Perh

Not sure if you've already found and dismissed this one.

I believe that this is indeed my Peter McNiven. Can find his hatch and match but not his dispatch! x