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Thank you Gwyn.. That reinforces what I thought; just not sure where Ellen fits in

Walter's birth is indexed under both the surname of his father and that of his mother, indicating that they were not at that time married to one another.

Both should have attended the registration and signed to acknowledge their parenthood.

Gwyn

I have finally ordered the death certificate! He died in the lunatic asylum in St Helen's from general paralysis. The interesting piece of information is that the informant was recorded as Ellen Holland, his widow of 3a Nelson St. I was under the impression that Ellen, his first wife, died in 1901, possibly from child birth complications as some had already suggested on this post. However I haven't been able to find any record of him marrying again? Can anyone else find such a record? In 1911 he was living with my great grandmother, Lillian Lawrence Howard. She gave birth to my grandfather in 1915, Walter Holland.

Thank you! I have searched on Ancestry and it's always come up blank.. I shall look into this to see if its him.. I've been really pleased with how helpful everyone is on this site, especially with someone like me who asks so many questions!

Possible?

Name: Henry S Holland
Death Registration Month/Year: 1918
Age at death (estimated): 45
Registration district: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 1552

I have never been able to find any information about when he died.. Any ideas?

Brill, thanks.. Cleared it up for me anyway and made it a lot clearer. Knowing which Henry to follow has meant that i have been able to go back further and find his father and grandfather. (I think!)

It certainly was.
If you can find many census where they
A} stay born the same place
B} stay born the same year
AND
c} Stay with the same christian name a lot of the time you will be doing well.

A lot of people seemed to use either their first or second name at random,said they were born wherever they felt like that day and had a guess at their age most of the time.
But of course a lot of them were illiterate and often didnt know where exactly they were born anyway if their parents died when they were young or they moved around a lot.
Also the census taker may not have heard of the little hamlet someone said they were born in ,so asked for the nearest big town and wrote that down.

Thanks for all the information. Really appreciate it. Was it common for the ages to be slightly out in those days? Henry Smith Holland in 1901 was 29 but in 1911 he was only 37?

Hi
If you read through what we have posted then you will see that he was born in 1872 in lancashire.
Married in 1897 to Ellen Mee.
There do not appear to have been any children from the marriage,but maybe Ellen died in childbirth and the child died with her.
The 1901 census finds him with Ellen and then she dies just after it was taken.

The 1901 census of a Henry Holland with Rebecca is not him.

If he was living with lilian keating on 1911,then they prob couldnt marry if she was married to someone else and he was still alive.

Oh thank you for your quick replies! I'm quite new to this and getting myself very confused!
I have found him in the 1911 census. He was living with Lillian Lawrence Keating in Wavertree, LIverppool. Her unmarried name was Lillian Lawrence Howard. That's definately him. It has him listed as being born in Roby.

I also found a Henry Holland in the 1901 census living with a Rebecca Holland and then to totally confuse myself another living with Ellen Holland. Is it more likely to be the listing with Ellen?

I'm trying to work out if he had any other children and what happened to them.

I did note that one ,but,it has the second initial as E and not L?

But is a very possible though,as I didnt look for an earlier marriage for her.

Perhaps Lillian was also married before?

Marriages Jun 1912
CORNWELL Lillian E Holland Medway 2a 1403
Holland Henry S Cornwell Medway 2a 1403

Here he is on 1911,I cant get anyone else to come up with him,so he must either live alone or be with people of a different surname.

HOUSEHOLD HOLLAND HENRY SMITH M 1874 37 West Derby Lancashire

Oooops!

Looks as if you were spot on.....

I was having a quick look Belle ,and then ancestry decided I wasnt a suscriber and now wont let me back in,and I only have worldwide!
Grrrrrrr.

Nice to know I had something right though.


Being funny ha ah ,does he have a time travel machine?You have him born 1972.
LOL

Looks as if Ellen died in 1901

Deaths Sep 1901
Holland Ellen aged 24 W. Derby 8b 203

Perhaps there were birth complications?
Deaths Sep 1901
Holland Charles Ernest 0 W. Derby 8b 230

It looks as if he married Ellen

1901 census

Name: Henry Holland
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Roby, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wavertree
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 296
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Holland 29
Ellen Holland 26 b Liverpool
Ellen Genard 4 Cousin

It looks as if he was born in 1972 in Lancashire not Derbyshire! ....so disregard the above 1901 census

Births Dec 1872
HOLLAND Henry Smith Prescott 8b 599