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Bronwyn,

Well it is very obvious I didn't scroll and read before I wrote LOL.

Anyway good luck with your research.
Vanessa

Oh, Vanessa, you're just angling for a big thank you too. ;)

Janey,

How did you guess LOL

Vanessa

Hello Vanessa, And you have given me something that I didn't know, William's middle name Jenkins! THANK YOU.

I'm very new to this and some acronyms, I look at blankly. I will work it out.

So you are saying that John Llewelyn was born in Victoria? or Registered? (Sorry for being repetitive).

I still can't get my head around the children being born here. So to get a death certificate that would actually tell you where they were born, I might have to do that, as the first four children were born in Wales (so I've been told) to a gent with the same name, but Ann only came over once he died. So I wonder if they all just came over here and there was only one William Thomas? Just check the first William Thomas he was born Aberman, Wales ??? died 1870 His father was Thomas Thomas. WT married Ann in Aberdare, Glamorgan 16/09/1861. Then married WJT 19/04/1873 Happy Valley.

Just wondering do you guys have facilities to check the Welsh bdm?? I think this is the only way to find out IF there is or was 2 William Thomas.

Any advice?

And another Big thank you Jayney, Julie and Vanessa I've had a very big spring in my step this morning.

Bron

Welsh are with English, fortunately:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

It's pie. Except that the Welsh only have four names and share them around.


There's no Ann Jones + William Thomas marriage in 1861. (Amazingly.) So where does that come from, then? Conversely, there are several dozen Margaret Thomas-s born in MT in 1861-63. (A birth late in a year may be registered the next year.)

I have a feeling Margaret's parents may not have been married and the tale was invented so as not to embarrass her. ;)

Aberdare is in Merthyr Tydfil registry district.

(I never know what's where. I'm in Canada, and people here at GR are forever saying "my ancestor Bob Roberts came from Tiddlywinks near UpsyDownsy, and so I just go to a census and ask for John living in & born in Tiddlywinks, and when I find one I check the record to see what reg dist it's in, and then I know what to search for at FreeBMD.)

So, in 1870 there were 8 William Thomas deaths in Merthyr T. Six of them were under the age of 10 (this kind of search, for a common name in a particular timeframe, always highlights what the child mortality rate was like.) And one was 39 and one was 63.

Broadening it, there was one 23 in early 1869, one 30 in late 1869, one 27 in mid 1871. Again, all the others look too young/too old.

I think William the First was a myth.

Query though. Ann married as Thomas. You need some children's birth records to know her birth surname - do you have that?

Yes, Janey

Ann Jones born 1835, Abergwili, Carmarthenshire d.27/08/1923 Melbourne Victoria.

Her parents are: John Jones (1788-1843) and Mary Williams (1792-1846).

Ann's first marriage 16/09/1861 At Aberdare, Glarmorgan to William Thomas (his father Thomas Thomas).
Not sure on WT birthdate but was sure that he died 1870.

Hope this helps.

Bron

But Bronwyn ...

Ann's first marriage 16/09/1861 At Aberdare, Glarmorgan to William Thomas (his father Thomas Thomas).

- there is no such marriage - there's no AJ marriage to WT in 1861

Not sure on WT birthdate but was sure that he died 1870.

- there doesn't appear to be such a death (William would have been 30ish likely)


The information you're reporting isn't from any official source, it seems. Could you say what the source is? - for the first marriage date, the spouses' names, etc.

(If it's from official records in Australia, they would just be unofficial reports e.g. by Ann, but it would be useful to know what the source is still.)
Have a go fer yourself at FreeBMD.


-- I realized Ann was ~25 when she allegedly first married, so there is a possible death -- if William was ~5 years older than her:

Deaths Mar 1870
Thomas William 39 Merthyr T. 11a 253

but stll no marriage.

WOW !

You girls have been busy while I was sleeping & working.

Bron.
Deep breath & read slower..

I gave you Williams middle name (on page 1), in an Electoral roll record.
Although it was "William Jenkyn" on that.

Julie

Thank you for pointing that out, I've had surprise overload today, plus I still have baby brain.

This has haunted me for 4 years and I just couldn't understand how I couldn't track parts of the family.

I've just been so thrilled that you were right, I was skimming, instead of absorbing....in.......out.....in.......feeling like I need a vino soon, must be 5pm somewhere in the world...it's 2:22pm here so getting close.

Bron

Hey Bron, its after mid-day, what more do you want.

I have an appology to make..

Re checked Thomas Lewis THOMAS, born 1872 in Happy Valley
Mother .. Ann Lewis JONES
Father .. Thomas Lewis THOMAS

Sorry !.... wrong Dad.

Did you see that Vanessa did not add him in !

Thanks for the pick up Julie.

Bron

Another question which has just come to mind. If the below: DL Thomas army records, state that his Nationality is UK. Why would that be if he was born in Victoria?

Bron

? ? ?

This is info that he would have given.
Would be interesting to see his service record.

??
He had British (Welsh) parents.
He was on the electoral roll in 1903 but not the next one in 1909.
Maybe he went to the UK to live before the war began ?

Will have to check passenger lists

There was this one but it does not give his age....

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about David Thomas
Name: David Thomas
Port of Departure: Australia
Arrival Date: 11 Sep 1906
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney, Melbourne, Albany, Durban and Cape Town
Ship Name: Medic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Medic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110573

Only other info was that he was born in Australia.

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about David Lewis Thomas
Name: David Lewis Thomas
Death Date: 30 Mar 1918
Rank: Lieutenant (T)
Regiment: Corps of Royal Engineers
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Comments: 253 Fd C

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about David Lewis Thomas
Name: David Lewis Thomas
Regiment or Corps: Royal Engineers, 1st K Eds Horse
Regimental Number: 1280, 1208

This also has mothers address in Caulfield, Melbourne, Australia.

If you pm me your e-mail address I will send a copy to you.

Thanks for the great work ladies. Not too sure what to do now. Do you have any info on Wales etc?

Trying to locate:

John Jones he married Mary William(s). He was born c1785-1844 Abergwilli and I think Mary was born c1790-01/1846 Abergwilli as well.

I don't know anything on his or her parents. Except his father was John Jones, can anyone locate a bdm? or anything on Mary's siblings or parents. I know both sets of parents were suppose to be wealthy but not too sure.

Any leads would be great as this is another wall I've hit.

Much appreciated.

Bron

For Reference... is this your family..? ?

1841 Wales Census about John Jones
Name: John Jones
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abergwilly
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Village
Occupation: Ag. Lab.

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub-registration district: Carmarthen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Jones 55
Mary Jones 50
Lewis Jones 20
Evan Jones 12
Mary Jones 9
Anne Jones 6
Sarah Jones 3

Sorry Julie, some times you just have to hold my hand... Yes, my family

John JOnes married Mary William(s) and they had the following children:

David 1813-?
John1815-?
Catherine1817-?
William- 1818-1909
Lewis - buried with parents at Abergwilli1821-1844
Nellie - buried with parents at Abergwilli 182?-1943
Thomas-1829-1882 USA
Evan-1830-1908
Mary-1832-1897
Ann-1835-1923
Sarah (this is my branch)1837-1919

All dates are approximate. I haven't been able to have proof of dates of birth, marriages or deaths.

Bron