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Correct date for Mary Williams death 54 at death.

Marriaged John 18/10/1808 Abergwilli, Carmarthen.

Looking at the headstone John Jones died 14/05/1843.

Someone said that he married twice and Ann was his first wife but we can't find anything.

David was born 11/07/1813 possibly died 1903 Pencader? Wife may of been Elizabeth or Mary Davies..

I don't know if any of this will help.

Bron

pm did not come through either.

Saw info about letter in your message on bottom of page 3.

family tree on ancesrty was mainly on John (Jonathon)'s second child.
Could all be just guess work prior to that, but as it had same parents (John Jones & Mary Williams) I thought that I should give you the info.

Does not help in finding John & Mary's parents or sibling though. Sorry.

Have John Jones (the son) born 24/03/1815 Abergwilli.

Bron

Now it's working, just sent you a pm as I couldn't get this to work.

Don't worry about the letter, which I mentioned in the PM.

Bron

has correct parents...? ?

Parents John Jones 1789 – Dec 1844
Mary Williams 1785 – 01 Jan 1846

Maybe a guess as to death year...? ?

Hi Julie

I don't think that's him, only have known him as John and just checked def born 24/03/1815 Abergwilli.

And reread a letter and said that David was living with brother John and John's wife in Neath in 1899. They were all in their 80's.

Cheers
Bron

There is a tree on ancestry... but no info on parents. :-(
But some on kids...

Jonathan Jones
Birth.. 1816 in Llanfair ar Y Bryn,Cayo,Carmarthenshire,Wales
Death .. 1898
Marrage .. 18 April 1840, Margaret Morgan 1818 – 1900

Children
Anne Jones 1841 – 1906 m. William James 1836 – 1921 --> 11 children
Thomas Morgan Jones 1842 – 1906 m. 1873 Sarah Edwards 1852 – 1936 --> 10 children + more info.
David Jones 1846 –
Cathrin Jones 1848 –
Mary Jones 1854 –

Not too worried about the children as most came to Australia, two died and the only children I have no idea where they ended up were:

David
John
Catherine.

If you have anything on the parents or their parents, that would be great as I search and search and can't find anything.

Bron

Sorry Julie, some times you just have to hold my hand... Yes, my family

John JOnes married Mary William(s) and they had the following children:

David 1813-?
John1815-?
Catherine1817-?
William- 1818-1909
Lewis - buried with parents at Abergwilli1821-1844
Nellie - buried with parents at Abergwilli 182?-1943
Thomas-1829-1882 USA
Evan-1830-1908
Mary-1832-1897
Ann-1835-1923
Sarah (this is my branch)1837-1919

All dates are approximate. I haven't been able to have proof of dates of birth, marriages or deaths.

Bron

For Reference... is this your family..? ?

1841 Wales Census about John Jones
Name: John Jones
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abergwilly
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Village
Occupation: Ag. Lab.

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub-registration district: Carmarthen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Jones 55
Mary Jones 50
Lewis Jones 20
Evan Jones 12
Mary Jones 9
Anne Jones 6
Sarah Jones 3

Thanks for the great work ladies. Not too sure what to do now. Do you have any info on Wales etc?

Trying to locate:

John Jones he married Mary William(s). He was born c1785-1844 Abergwilli and I think Mary was born c1790-01/1846 Abergwilli as well.

I don't know anything on his or her parents. Except his father was John Jones, can anyone locate a bdm? or anything on Mary's siblings or parents. I know both sets of parents were suppose to be wealthy but not too sure.

Any leads would be great as this is another wall I've hit.

Much appreciated.

Bron

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about David Lewis Thomas
Name: David Lewis Thomas
Death Date: 30 Mar 1918
Rank: Lieutenant (T)
Regiment: Corps of Royal Engineers
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Comments: 253 Fd C

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about David Lewis Thomas
Name: David Lewis Thomas
Regiment or Corps: Royal Engineers, 1st K Eds Horse
Regimental Number: 1280, 1208

This also has mothers address in Caulfield, Melbourne, Australia.

If you pm me your e-mail address I will send a copy to you.

There was this one but it does not give his age....

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about David Thomas
Name: David Thomas
Port of Departure: Australia
Arrival Date: 11 Sep 1906
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney, Melbourne, Albany, Durban and Cape Town
Ship Name: Medic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Medic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110573

Only other info was that he was born in Australia.

? ? ?

This is info that he would have given.
Would be interesting to see his service record.

??
He had British (Welsh) parents.
He was on the electoral roll in 1903 but not the next one in 1909.
Maybe he went to the UK to live before the war began ?

Will have to check passenger lists

Another question which has just come to mind. If the below: DL Thomas army records, state that his Nationality is UK. Why would that be if he was born in Victoria?

Bron

Thanks for the pick up Julie.

Bron

Hey Bron, its after mid-day, what more do you want.

I have an appology to make..

Re checked Thomas Lewis THOMAS, born 1872 in Happy Valley
Mother .. Ann Lewis JONES
Father .. Thomas Lewis THOMAS

Sorry !.... wrong Dad.

Did you see that Vanessa did not add him in !

Julie

Thank you for pointing that out, I've had surprise overload today, plus I still have baby brain.

This has haunted me for 4 years and I just couldn't understand how I couldn't track parts of the family.

I've just been so thrilled that you were right, I was skimming, instead of absorbing....in.......out.....in.......feeling like I need a vino soon, must be 5pm somewhere in the world...it's 2:22pm here so getting close.

Bron

WOW !

You girls have been busy while I was sleeping & working.

Bron.
Deep breath & read slower..

I gave you Williams middle name (on page 1), in an Electoral roll record.
Although it was "William Jenkyn" on that.

But Bronwyn ...

Ann's first marriage 16/09/1861 At Aberdare, Glarmorgan to William Thomas (his father Thomas Thomas).

- there is no such marriage - there's no AJ marriage to WT in 1861

Not sure on WT birthdate but was sure that he died 1870.

- there doesn't appear to be such a death (William would have been 30ish likely)


The information you're reporting isn't from any official source, it seems. Could you say what the source is? - for the first marriage date, the spouses' names, etc.

(If it's from official records in Australia, they would just be unofficial reports e.g. by Ann, but it would be useful to know what the source is still.)
Have a go fer yourself at FreeBMD.


-- I realized Ann was ~25 when she allegedly first married, so there is a possible death -- if William was ~5 years older than her:

Deaths Mar 1870
Thomas William 39 Merthyr T. 11a 253

but stll no marriage.