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Hmmm i think this is driving me mad.

Anything is possible. More research is going to be needed i think. An maybe i will have to splash the cash. if i cant work it out.

Again thanks
A

Just for info............. a few distances between the different places

From: Scalby, Scarborough
To: Hackness, Scarborough
Distance: 3.1 miles

From: Scalby, Scarborough
To: Hutton Buscel, Scarborough
Distance: 6.5 miles


From: Hutton Buscel, Scarborough
To: Hackness, Scarborough
Distance: 5.5 miles


From: Egton, Whitby
To: Hackness, Scarborough
Distance: 26.4 miles

From: Hutton Buscel, Scarborough
To: Egton, Whitby
Distance: 29.7 miles


I put the last two in because of this entry......wasn't sure if it was worth considering


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HENRY COCKRILL Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
05 DEC 1722 Egton, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ROBERT COCKRILL Family

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P012101 1617 - 1812 0098531 Film NONE
P012101 1628 - 1812 0098531 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

I did. and i guessed as much from the dates of birth & Marriage, just wanted to make sure i was thinking correctly. Thanks for the help.
A

Did you take note that Elizabeth Wallis' father was called Xtopheri which I believe would be Christopher and that is a name that has been handed down for a couple of generations in the Cockerill family. I am not saying that it is definately the correct marriage but it could well be a clue.

I have looked at all the henry cockerills in hackness area and i have the following
4. HENRICUS COCKERELL - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 24 OCT 1697 Hackness, Yorkshire, England
7. HENRICUS COCKERELL - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JUN 1702 Hackness, Yorkshire, England
10. HENRICUS COCKERELL - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 17 FEB 1707 Hackness, Yorkshire, England

i could rule ths one out due to the area - again unsure
11. HENRY COCKERILL - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 21 DEC 1707 St Laurence, Scalby Near Scarborough, Yorkshire, England

& these 2 which i have ruled out because they are too young to be wed in time for Cristopher Cockerill b1757 - just a guess
19. HENRY COCKERILL - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 08 FEB 1737 Hackness, Yorkshire, England
20. Henry Cockerill - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 03 MAY 1739 Hackness, Yorkshire, England

I then have this issue 4 weddings and not a clue.
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HENERICUS COCKERELL Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETHA CROSS Family
Marriage: 24 NOV 1730 Hackness, Yorkshire, England
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Henry Cockerill Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: About 1707 Of, Suffield, Yorkshire, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: Sarah Wilkinson Family
Marriage: 30 NOV 1732 Hackness, Yorkshire, England



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HENERY COCKERILL Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH WALLIS Family
Marriage: 04 AUG 1745 Hackness, Yorkshire, England


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY BUTLER Family
Marriage: 16 OCT 1759 Hackness, Yorkshire, England

So whats the best foot forward method now ?

"I assumed because i am only a 4 week veteran, that they had their tree wrong or that their were 2 henrys etc. Also Family search doesnt help with them inputting stuff as Henry?henrici etc."



Arthur


I have been researching my Cotterells, in all their various spellings, for over 6 YEARS!



Just one word of advice


NEVER ever assume anything in this game



Second marriages are always on the scene .... people married young (12 for girls, 14 for men), childbirth was very dangerous, bearing many children wore out the woman but not the man, "old" men married young girls (think Henry VIII), names are never spelled as you think they should be


Remember that the majority of our ancestors were illiterate, even upto 1900. At many times in English history less than 5% of the populaton would be able to read and write ...... and they were mainly men who had received religious training and some members of the upper aristocracy.


Then there was the transformation in language from whatever predated Saxon, to Saxon, to Norman, to where Latin was the every day language, to Olde Englishe, to all the dialects found in the UK .......................... and you can understand how we find all these varied spellings of names.


If they were spelt wrongly, even until the early years of the 20th century, our ancestors were probably unable to read well enough to correct the mistake!




sylvia

Now, there is a christening for Elzabeth Wallis and note the fathers name.......a form of Christopher perhaps? :-

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ELIZ. WALLIS Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
08 NOV 1719 Hackness, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: XTOPHERI WALLIS Family

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film 6900688 Film
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
Sheet: 00


If the Henry that she married was this one, then he would be 12 years her senior? :-



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HENRICUS COCKERELL Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
17 FEB 1707 Hackness, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: HEN. COCKERELL Family

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film 6900688 Film
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

Again - I was not trying to test anyone. I threw all my notes across the room and started again.

would it therefore be safe to assume that their is only one henry but 2 wifes? and 2nd one came along after first died? or that their is another henry perhaps a siblings child?? Thats the bit i am stuck on

The above isnt a test either, if he married twice then i have it
if he didnt then i havent got it. and i dont know - call me a dumbass or any other name u like.. I was in a dark place and somone is holding the dimmer switch and i want them to turn it up - so i can see the light.
Not trying to rock the boat it was a genuine wipe it clean and start again.

The thing is, the people who help here aren't taking tests. We're trying to help.

I for one, and I know others, don't appreciate being used as lab rats. If you have information and want to test its validity, provide the information and the source and explain the problem/dispute, and we will be happy to help.


Btw, the various names you see at the Mormon site are because in old registers, names were entered in the Latinate form. William may be Guillaumus, for instance. The site will find all such equivalents automatically.

Well that would explain the argument so to speak. I assumed because i am only a 4 week veteran, that they had their tree wrong or that their were 2 henrys etc. Also Family search doesnt help with them inputting stuff as Henry?henrici etc.

would it therefore be safe to assume that their is only one henry but 2 wifes? and 2nd one came along after first died? or that their is another henry perhaps a siblings child?? Thats the bit i am stuck on

Sorry for getting you rattled - again this was not my intension i just want to get it right or what is the point.

A

Thankyou for that Arthur, but you can see how annoying it is to find out that the information you are seeking is known by you all along? That over with , have you seen that there are two marriages for a Henery/Henry Cockerill in Hackness Yorks?

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HENERY COCKERILL Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH WALLIS Family
Marriage:
04 AUG 1745 Hackness, Yorkshire, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M007921 1570 - 1785 0844554 Film 6909666 Film
Sheet: 00

and this one:-

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HENRY COCKERILL Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY BUTLER Family
Marriage:
16 OCT 1759 Hackness, Yorkshire, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M007921 1570 - 1785 0844554 Film 6909666 Film
Sheet: 00


In order for Christopher (christened 1757) to be legitimate. the marriage should be the first one.Also note the name is also spelled Henery which is the same as on the christening. Maybe not too relevent but thought to point it out.

Brenda

Was not trying to cause offense. Was just trying to piece a bit that didnt fit right into place. Have been told i was wrong by expert. and since i am not i sought advise hence the thread. It is sometimes good to clear the table and get a different opinion which is what i was trying to do.
So sorry if anyone took offense.

Well, isn't this special.

(a) Can anyone tell me who William Cockerill b 1813 Hackness Scarb father was please? then if you feel really helpfull who was his grandfather?

(b) I have researched the cockerills all the way back to 1545 and have never manage to link wiliam cockerill b c 1813 past his grandfather henry.


Odd. If I were the one saying (b), I can't think of why in the world I would be at this site saying (a).

I give up. What was it you wanted, ArthurSleep? Have we failed you?

If you have already researched this family "all the way back to 1545" why on earth did you want this info:

"Can anyone tell me who William Cockerill b 1813 Hackness Scarb father was please? then if you feel really helpfull who was his grandfather?"


From your last reply ie "I have researched the cockerills all the way back to 1545 and have never manage to link wiliam cockerill b c 1813 past his grandfather henry" . it would appear that you knew the information already.

What a waste of everyone's time!!!!

Sorry did i catch someone on a bad night!

I have researched the cockerills all the way back to 1545 and have never manage to link wiliam cockerill b c 1813 past his grandfather henry. Was only trying to fill in the blanks.
Sorry to have caused an issue. Wont happen again. i am now doing 100 lines and sitting on the step.

Janey

are you the one that's done the overlong web address :)))))))))))))))))))))))

Could this be the christening of the Christopher that married in 1791 to Ann Dickinson?

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CHRISTIPHER COCKERIL Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
13 NOV 1757 Hackness, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: HENERY COCKERIL Family

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film 6900688 Film
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
P007921 1566 - 1783 0844554 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

Sorry JaneyCanuck.................didn't mean to shove in! But here is the marriage for good measure:-


CHRISTOPHER COCKERILL Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ANN DICKINSON Family
Marriage:
13 DEC 1791 Wykeham, Yorkshire, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M041651 1728 - 1812 0551585 Film 6910004 Film
Sheet: 00

Oops, Moody Blue beat me to it - except that I was going to explain to Arthur how to do it himself.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle

FIXED URL - Sorry, Sylvia, for me it breaks at punctuation - it's only huge long single words like Ginny's the other day that ruin the thread. ;)
(The URL has to be copied and pasted back together to use it, now. Everybody should have it bookmarked!)

Click on Yorkshire E-H, find Hutton Bushel, click on the batch number for births. Search for surname Cockerill.

William's oldest son was Christopher.

Seems like a slam dunk.

Cockerill

Cockerell

Cockarell

Cockarill

Cockrill

Cockrell





Just a few of the many variant spellings of your guy's name!!



have you searched under ALL those possibilities?





BTW ......... I know these are possible variants because I have Lancashire Cock(e)r(e)ll's in my ancestry .................... and have found them listed on censuses and other documents under ALL of those names ............ and the further you go back the worse it gets.



You might want to look on www.rootsweb.com and see if there is a tree listed that might connect with your fellow


OR look at the trees on www.ancestry.co.uk





sylvia