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thanks for that Dea, unfortunately I dont seem to have a match to hotchoc that I can see at the moment.........will keep this in mind as I continue my tree though!

Hi Stephen,

Haven't got much further with yours but in case it connects, this is hotchocs family on 1871:

1871 England Census
about Henry C Pyafinch
Name: Henry C Pyafinch
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry V
Mother's Name: Anne A
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell St Giles
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
Henry V Pyafinch 60 Commercial traveller b Shoreditch.
Anne A Pyafinch 28
Henry C Pyafinch 8
Thomas C Pyafinch 6
Gerald Pyafinch 3 *****
Ann Driscoll 18 servant

at 91 Camberwell Grove.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 723; Folio: 59; Page: 19; GSU roll: 823350.

Their marriage:

Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%)
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Cartwright Annie Alice Lewisham 1d 1128
Pyefinch Henry Vandervall Lewisham 1d 1128



Dea x

No, sorry Stephen dont have his parents names - good luck with your search anyway x

Thanks for letting me know Stephen, I do so hate to be beaten!!

I have just come back from shopping and had left it up on screen so I had another look and it did look like 'Feny' or 'Fany', but with only one 'n'.

Dea x

but on 1881 census they both say married......so difficult to say!

Do you think that perhaps they hadn't married by 1891 but "lived together" and for the sake of propriety concocted a relationship? A good start would be one of those birth certificates!

Dea, dont waste your time looking at that one! the one with George is alot clearer and definately says Frances Fanny

that makes sense that she was frances fanny pyefinch........need to order one of the certificates to get her maiden name!

why sisterinlaw on 1891 census? and william as single?

hi hot choc.........havent stumbled across a gerald yet but there maybe a link....do you know who his parents were?

This is George's christening:


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George Richard Pyefinch
Name: George Richard Pyefinch
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 11 Sep 1881
Father's Name: William John Pyefinch
Mother's Name: Frances Fanny Pyefinch
Parish: Saint John, Woolwich
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex


address:-

1A South*****
Iona Place
Sandy Hill

thanks Dea, I couldnt make it out either......and I put it on the maximum size!

I have looked at the image Stephen and I really cannot make it out... dratt!!!!

All I can say is that I do NOT think it is Mary. - If you compare it to the rest of the handwriting on the page, the 'lines' of the first letter are too straight for an 'M'. The top of the letter resembles his letter 'H' or even an 'F' but it is too 'blurry' to make it out.

I have stared at it for ages but can't see it. I will have another look later.

Sorry,

Dea x

Hi Stephen
i have a gerald pyefinch in my tree born Lambeth 1867 he married one of my ancestors. quite an unusual name i thought, wondered if there was any connection x

I was referring to Francis F on the 1891

PYEFINCH, Francis F Sister In Law Widow F 44 1847 House Duty
Bridford
Dorsetshire

Can anyone read and double check the original baptism record on ancestry for me .....PLEASE :o)

with regards the middle initial F.....this could be wrong as Williams middle name is John and there has been errors on some of his census with regards initials.......he is down on that one as William H....when it should be William J

So, ok fanny is a nickname for Frances.....but why on 1891 does it say sister in law????????????

Just one other point, it says Francis F - where did middle initial come from?

VERY INTERESTING..........on ancestry records

Herbert Edward Pyefinch Baptism 10 Jun 1874 William John Pyefinch,Frances Pyefinch Saint John, Woolwich Greenwich


PLEASE CAN ANYONE CHECK THIS ON ANCESTRY - I AM HAVING TROUBLE READING IT! SEARCH FOR HERBERT PYEFINCH IN ENGLAND ONLY - NO COUNTIES 1870-1880......THEN IT WILL COME UP WITH LONDON ENGLAND BIRTHS AND BAPTISMS 1813-1906........YOU CAN VIEW THE ORIGINAL RECORD........WHAT DOES IT SAY NEXT TO FRANCES.....LOOKS LIKE MARY IN BRACKETS TO ME!??? THIS MAY BE ANOTHER CLUE!

So, the 1891 census looks correct...........but why does it say sister in law and william single........how could it be SO wrong?

I'll order the certificate, thanks

Have you got the birth certificates of any of the children? It will give mothers maiden name

Births Jun 1874
Pyefinch Herbert Edward Woolwich 1d 992

Deaths Sep 1920
PYEFINCH Fanny 75 Woolwich 1d 898

on www.fibis.org