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Poss baptism for Rosetta Langley


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Rosetta Langley
Name: Rosetta Langley
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 4 Feb 1821
Father's Name: James Langley a carpenter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Langley
Parish: Saint Paul, Deptford
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

At time of baptism they lived in Victory Street

And her death

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%)
ACKRILL Rosetta 91 Wandsworth 1d 314

Probable death for her husband Joseph

Deaths Dec 1908 (>99%)
Ackrill Joseph 86 Wandsworth 1d 342 Scan available - click to view



Wendy

Hi Mozart here

Really strange, no mention of the marriage to Gt, Grandfather James Ball,
surely that can't be right. Perhaps there were two Rosettas.
Don't understand, there is a Langley maiden name and a Ackrill, could they be two different families? They were definately married.
Baffled.
I'd imagine one of them must be the right Rosetta.

Your great grand parents could well have been married and I just can't find them. I will try and investigate further later today or tomorrow. Do you have any other information

Wendy

Rosetta was divorced from Hans. There are 2 files relating to the divorce at the National Archives. Go to "Search the Catalogue" on their website, put in the surname and use J77 as the reference to search. You can click on "Request this" to get a quote for copies.

Just found an article in the Times - they weren't actually divorced - apparently both cases were dismissed!!

Thank you both.

Also in the Times (Jan 20 1897), a Rosetta E Tonnesen is listed as having passed a Musical Examination. If it's the same woman, she was still known by this name in 1897.

Wonderful,
Can't think who else it would be,
can you say what Musical Examination it was for?

It was Trinity College London in a Higher Examination. She is listed under Certificated Pianists.

From The London Gazette dated March 5th 1875

NOTICE is 'hereby given, that the Partnership hereto*
fore subsisting between us the undersigned, Hans
Andreas Tonnesen and Edwin Farley, carrying on business
at No. 24, Crutched Friars, in the city of London, as
General and Commission Merchants, under the style or firm
of Tonnesen, Farley, and Co., has this day been determined
.by mutual consent. All debts due to and from the firm will
be received and paid by the said Edwin Farley. The said
Hans Andreas Tonnesen will continue business on bis own
account.—Dated this 1st day of March, 1875. .
Edwin Farley.
H. A. Tonnesen.

Wendy

Rosetta and Hans had a daughter who was also called Rosetta E age 4 in 1881 (b c1877) she was with Rosettas parents Could it have been this Rosetta that was the musician, she would have been 20 at the time of the exam?


1881 England Census
about Rosetta E. Tonneson
Name: Rosetta E. Tonneson
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 62 Kellett Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Ackrell 58
Rosetta Ackrell 60
Rosetta E. Tonneson 4


IN 1891 she is listed as Rosetta Ball still with her grand parents who are mis-transcribed as Sekrith (This took some finding!!!)


1891 England Census
about Rosetta E Ball
Name: Rosetta E Ball
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: East Brixton St Judes
Town: Brixton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Sekrith 68
Rosetta E Sekrith 70
Rosetta E Ball 14


1901 she was living on her own means still unmarried and with grandparents


1901 England Census
about Rosetta Tonnesen
Name: Rosetta Tonnesen
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Divine Balham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 239
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Ackrill 78
Rosetta Ackrill 80
Rosetta Tonnesen 24


Wendy

Births Jun 1876
Tonnesen Rosetta Edith Camberwell 1d 743

Rose

Hello Rose - Why aren't you in bed???

Wendy x

I had some 1911 credits so took a guess at the mis spelling of Tonnesen and came up trumps.

1911

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born: Report error View Original Page
BALL, JAMES HEAD MRD M 51 PHOTOGRAPHER ST ANNE'S LODN
BALL, ROSETTA E WIFE MRD 31 F 59 CAMBERWELL
LOUUSSEU, ROSETTA E DAUGHTER ABOVE THE MARRIAGE SPINSTER F 34 CAMBERWELL
BALL, DAISY G DAUGHTER SPINSTER F 27 BRIXTON
BALL, ROBERT H SON BACHLR M 23 DRAUGHTSMAN BRIXTON
BALL, SYDNEY A SON BACHLR M 16 CLERK -BALHAM

LOUUSSEU ROSETTA E (RG14PN2289 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED4 SN176)
Address 29 DAFFORN ROAD UPPER TOOTING S W County London
District Wandsworth Subdistrict Streatham
Enumeration District 4 Parish Wandsworth Borough


It says the have been married for 31 years which = 1880 I can't find a marriage for them!

Wendy

Deaths

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1908 (>99%)
Ackrill Joseph 86 Wandsworth 1d 342 Scan available - click to view

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%)
ACKRILL Rosetta 91 Wandsworth 1d 314

I have just turned my pc on and to my surprise found a a wealth of information from all of you, Ann, Wendy, etc.
You are all extremely kind.
It seems the family is full of mysteries.

Would I be right in saying that James Ball and Rosetta Ackrell had daughters Daisy, Gertrude, and two sons
Robert, Sydney Arthur Ball later to receive the MBE.
Also we don't know why he was awarded the MBE.
Rosetta and Hans had one son Harold and a daughter also called Rosetta.

Regards
Brian

HI Brian

From what I have found Rosetta and Hans had

Harold Ackrill ref Camberwell 1d - 787 in 1873
Rosetta Edith ref Camberwell 1d - 743 in 1876

Rosetta and James had

Joseph Richard K b. Ramsgate Kent reg Thanet 2a - 890 in 1881
*Gertrude Daisy b. Herne HIll SE London reg Lambeth 1d - 518 in 1883
Robert Henry b. Herne HIll SE London reg Lambeth 1d - 537 in 1888
Sydney Arthur b. Balham reg Wandsworth 1d - 803 in 1894
There may have been other children after 1901 but not according to the 1911 census which the original would tell you how many births she had had and how many of the lived

* Gertrude was known as Daisy and she was baptised at Balham as Daisy Gertude in Feb 1899 when she would have been 5 I'm sure it was her with parents James and Rosetta and father a photographer. See my previous post on this. Who are you descended from is it Sydney

Wendy

Hi Wendy

Just logged on

Sydney A Ball MBE was my wife Stephanie's grandfather, he had two daughters one of which was Caryl. Caryl married Steph's father who is called Jack Latham.
Can I now assume that Rosetta and Hans daughter Rosetta is James husband the photographer (my wife Steph's Gt Grandparents) and that mine and Steph's children Alex and Kate have Norwegian blood.
If that is the case my son Alex will be absolutely thrilled as he likes anything Norwegian. He's into Lord of The Rings etc.

Best Regards
Brian

Sorry to disappoint you but there is not any Norwegian blood in your part of the family.

Rosetta junior, the daughter, was Sydney's half sister. Same mother different father.

So Sydneys parents were the Rosetta b 28/11/1818 baptised 04/02/1821. - that WAS married to Hans - and James Ball b. 08/07/1859 baptised 14/08/1859 at St Anne's, Soho, Westminster. I can't find any record of Rosetta and James Ball marrying.

To go back another generation with James Ball, I think his parents were James Ball and Mary Ann Sarah Kingaby, which would be your wife great great great grand parents.

Wendy

Thanks Wendy

I appreciate you clarifying the situation for me, I hadn't said anything to my son so he will be non the wiser.
It's confusing when you get two Rosettas and no record of James and Rosetta ever getting married, that's why I assumed the wrong conclusion.
I just want to find out now how Sydney got his MBE.

Best Regards
Brian