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I think this is your John going by his middle name. He did have an older brother called Alfred Frederick born 1870.

Rose

This confirms his brother's middle name:

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Albert Rabbit
Name: Albert Rabbit
Date of Birth: 23 Dec 1908
Gender: Male
Birth County: Wentworth
Father's Name: Alfred Fredrick Rabbit
Mother's Name: Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Roll Number: VRBCAN1908_102549

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about John Edwin Rabbitt
Name: John Edwin Rabbitt
Date of Birth: 11 Jun 1907
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Alfred Rabbitt
Mother's Name: Gertrude Bartlet
Roll Number: MS929_189

Rose

Good one, Rose, I agree with you. I was on my way home and had tried automatedgenealogy but not Ancestry -- AG doesn't allow for fuzzy searches or non-surname searches so missed the "B" mistranscription.

Checked Ontario white pages and there are two current Rabbitt listings, not close to Hamilton, but there would have been mobility in a century. And a Rabbit listing in the Toronto area, with others in northern Ontario.

Here's the Ontario marriage -- I can't get details:

Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
year date
Alfred F Rabbib
Wentworth County (correct for Hamilton)


The record/image should give both of Alfred's parents' names.


Parents' marriage (John and Elizabeth aged 45 on 1881 census):

Marriages Sep 1856
DUFFIN Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 142
RABBIT John Birmingham 6d 142

for checking Ontario marriage.

I had those already on the previous page. ;)

I think they got discounted. ?


Note - date of immigration in 1911 Cdn census is 1910.

Roy, if you want to see the 1911, they are under Rabbit, I was just searching for John, I guess!

Rabbit Alfred M Head M Oct 1873 37
Rabbit Gertrude F Wife M Jan 1883 28
Rabbit John M Son S Jun 1907 3
Rabbit Agnes F Daughter S Aug 1910 9/12
Bartlett Frederick M Father-in-law W Apr 1838 73
Rabbit William M Brother M Jan 1875 36
Rabbit Ada F Sister-in-law M May 1876 35


http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp

search in Ontario for Rabbit and that household is the only result. You can click on the page number (48) and then on "split view" to see the actual image -- which will be a crappy copy of an almost illegible original, if it's true to form. ;)


SomersetGirl - I know! I seldom read a thread once it's got past two pages; my eyes boggle and my brain says 'stop!' ;)

So you want the Ontario marriage details?

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924
about Alfred F Rabbib
Name: Alfred F Rabbib
Birth Place: Bermingham Eng
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Father Name: John Rabbib
Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin
Spouse Name: Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Spouse Birth Place: York Eng
Spouse Father Name: Fredk Bartlett
Spouse Mother Name: Elizth Downs
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1906
Marriage Place: Wentworth
Marriage County: Wentworth
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_131

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Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924
about Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Name: Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Birth Place: York Eng
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Father Name: Fredk Bartlett
Mother Name: Elizth Downs
Spouse Name: Alfred F Rabbib
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Spouse Birth Place: Bermingham Eng
Spouse Father Name: John Rabbib
Spouse Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1906
Marriage Place: Wentworth
Marriage County: Wentworth
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_131
Source: Indexed by: Ancestry.com

Me, I don't want nuthin! ;)


There we are:

Father Name: John Rabbib
Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin

QED.

Hi Janey , Vivienne , Rose & Somerset Girl.

Many thanks for this extra information.

It certainly suggests to me that Ada + John William Rabbit settled in Canada after joining Alfred Frederick Rabbit & his family.

I have also noticed that two of Alfred's children share the names of Alfred + John's siblings ( Agnes + Albert ).

.Possible coincidence of course, but i think it puts beyond doubt that these are the correct Rabbit family ( although Alfred seems to have "lost" five years from his age , having been born in 1870 ! ).

As for John Rabbit becoming William Rabbit i shall assume that he was known as William because his father was also John Rabbit,so i have no worries with the name change.

So i would just like to say again a big thankyou to everyone who has added new info. today.

( I have just discovered this new added info. after spending the last hour researching background on the Rabbit family ) .

Regards

Roy

Well Roy..
They do say that if you want a job done well

Get a woman to do it,
or in this a case a few women.....

Happy hunting.

Roy, I think you have the clincher in the marriage record Viv posted for Alfred "Rabbib" and Gertrude Bartlett. (If you want to push your luck, you can get her to view that image -- the original images can be viewed at Ancestry, and Ontario marriage records contain the spouses' ages, places of birth and parents' names.)


Father Name: John Rabbib
Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin


That's from the Ontario marriage record.

The parents of John William and Alfred Frederick, per the English marriage record I posted, were John Rabbit and Elizabeth Duffin, as I posted on page 2 - 1856 Birmingham.

As we say in the Latin biz: quod erat demonstratum.

The thing we wanted to prove. ;)