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Hi All
Info we have so far
INFO FROM FAMILY ............
FRANCIS BUMPAS date of birth 30.06.01889 (spelt with an A )
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died january 1965 aged 75
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INFO ON MARRAIGE CERTIFICATE .................
date of marraige 02.08.1914 at all saints church ,small heath, birmingham
FRANCIS BUMPUS ( spelt with a U ) AGE 25 PACKER address ... 62 waverley rd small heath birmingham
FATHER WILLIAM BUMPUS WINDOW CLEANER
WIFE
BEATRICE TANDY AGE 23 PRESS WORKER address .......
62 waverley rd small heath birmingham
FATHER HENRY TANDY FILE CUTTER
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WITNESSES HENRY TANDY (brother) and a GERTRUDE BROOKES ( presume was friend
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before and since we got this info we have done searches and although we have an extensive family tree for the tandy family we are still struggling with the bumpus family
my best guess would be the post from Janey ............
Name: Frank James Bumpus
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sarah
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
William Bumpus 32
Sarah Bumpus 25
Frank James Bumpus 2
But when we we searched for WILLIAM BUMPUS AND SARAH we yet again are struggling still we wont give up and will let you all know any further developments and thanks for your posts much appreaciated
alan rudd
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BUMFORD, William Head Married
22 years M 52 1859 Window Cleaner England <<<<<<<<<
BUMFORD, Laura Wife Married F 46 1865 England
BUMFORD, Frank Son M 22 1889 Clearke England
BUMFORD, Sarah Daughter F 19 1892 Laundries England
BUMFORD, Herbert Son M 16 1895 Grocers Assistant England
BUMFORD, Florence Daughter F 7 1904 School England
BUMFORD, Richard Relation M 84 1827 Pensioner
Address:
17 Bertram Road Small Heath Birmingham
I rest my case that this is the family on 1911 and therefore 1901 as well.
But you can only lead a horse to water....
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Looks like you 'nailed' it with the 1901/1911 Viv, well done hun
Alan have you missed that info as you still seem to be in the dark about the Bumpas family?
Ginny
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I'm still wondering too what Alan isn't following!
William Bumpus had father Richard and brother Francis.
Marriages Jun 1889
Bumpus William Aston 6d 370
WILKINSON Laura Aston 6d 370
Births Sep 1889
Pumbus Francis James Aston 6d 237
1891
Frank James Bumpus 2
William Bumpus 32
- labourer
Sarah Bumpus 25
- the first letter in Sarah looks like the L in Labourer on the page, not like the S in Samuel, so it could be read as Larah. (I should have looked at this further originally -- it definitely does not say Laura, but it pretty definitely does say Larah, not Sarah.)
The people in 1891 - your people - match up with the household Viv has found in 1901 and 1911 as Bumford.
In the 1911 Bumford household, note "relation" Richard, aged 84. William's father was Richard. In 1911, Richard is 84. In 1861, Richard (transcribed Bumpers at Ancestry) was 33. In 1871, he was 43. DOB ~1828. They are the same Richard, in 1861, 1871 and 1911. Father of your William and William's brother Francis. William named his sons for his brother and father.
In 1911 the Bumford couple had been married 22 years -- the Bumpus-Wilkinson marriage was registered in Jun quarter 1889, so they could have just had their 22nd or been about to have their 22nd anniversary.
In 1911, Frank Bumford is a window cleaner, as he was in 1901. In 1891, Frank Bumpus was a labourer. By 1891 he had specialized. He was likely not literate. The census household schedules were likely completed by the enumerator. (I wonder whether the schedules for neighbouring households in 1911 were in the same handwriting?)
Why were they Bumford in 1901 and 1911? Who knows?? These things *did* happen.
There just wasn't a Bumford household in 1891 with parents William and Laura and son Frank, to account for them. There is no William Bumford marriage to a Laura. These *are* the Bumpus family.
And there isn't a Bumpus/Bumpas household in 1901 or 1911 to be your family. The two are mutually exclusive. The Bumpus household appears only in 1891, the Bumford household appears only in 1901 and 1911. They are one and the same. There's no issue!
Alan, you still haven't ordered the two certificates for the birth and marriage at the top of this post?
They will surely answer your questions.
The William Bumpus + Laura Wilkinson marriage will show father Richard.
The Frank James Pumbus birth certificate will show parents William Bumpus (or Pumbus) and Laura Wilkinson.
There's no need to struggle, let alone give up.
Buy the certificates and congratulate us!
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Well said Janey,I couldnt have argued the case better myself...
my ,I wish I had your way with the words!
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Now you know why Janeys a lawyer
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Ah ... used to be. Now I get my kicks at GenesReunited, not the courthouse anymore ...
One thing you do know when you practise law -- there is never actually *proof* of anything! There are a whole lot of facts that pile up and make it impossible for something to be anything other than what it appears to be. ;)
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Just wondering whether there's any news!
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Well, there never was any news, but I just got a tree access request from Alan ..............
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Maybe Alan is another one of your cousins JC ;)
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