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Wow Rose, you certainly dont hang about! thank you for all that information. I have charted out the "birth years" and theres a large gap between Harry and Rose. I am going to see if I can find Jack in that Gap.
Many thanks.
As to whether my mother was in Ireland in 1911, if she had been taken there by her father to see her Grandparents they would have both been 85! the address i have for 1861 is Sion Lodge,12 Garville Street Rathmines, Dublin. Something else for me to chase!
Will let you know if i find anything. Melanie.

From http://pilot.familysearch.org

Ida Kent
Registration district: Skibbereen
Record type: BIRTHS
Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1896
Estimated birth year:
Age:
Mother's surnames:
Film number: 101066
Volume: 5
Page: 459
Digital GS number: 4193980
Image number: 00287
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958


Name: Rose May Kent
Registration district: Kinsale
Record type: BIRTHS
Registration date - quarter and year: Jan - Mar 1892
Estimated birth year:
Age:
Mother's surnames:
Film number: 101064
Volume: 5
Page: 292
Digital GS number: 4193978
Image number: 00049
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958


Name: Charles Kent
Registration district: Kinsale
Record type: BIRTHS
Registration date - quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1895
Estimated birth year:
Age:
Mother's surnames:
Film number: 101065
Volume: 5
Page: 291
Digital GS number: 4193979
Image number: 00525
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958


Name: Harry Harris Kent
Registration district: Kinsale
Record type: BIRTHS
Registration date - quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1887
Estimated birth year:
Age:
Mother's surnames:
Film number: 101061
Volume: 5
Page: 311
Digital GS number: 4193975
Image number: 00566
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958



Rose

WEll, the whole Kent experience is back to Ireland it seems, and I am no good on Irish records, hope somebody is better than me.

But where is your mum in 1911? Surely not in Ireland?

But could be. Who with though?

Margaret

Half brother, William Charles Kent WATSON b 1912. Plymouth Devon. Now Deceased. Father Charles WATSON b 1883 London, died 1946. I have picked up with my cousins through this site but I think they are unaware of any skeletons!
Again no Marriage found!

Kate Atha CRYER is Reginald CRYER'S Mother. Have all her info plus parents, siblings.
Have wondered if Annie married Reginald in Ireland as thats where Kate's family came from, she is a Bapty by maiden name.

Okay, Chorlton Jan 1906. 8c/927.

But where in 1911?

At a loss. Why not with mum Annie, and why is Annie called Kent. That could just be an enumerator's mistake.

Does your mum have any siblings?

Margaret

Kate is Reg's mother :
Name: Kate Atha Cryer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Clifford Cum Boston
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Main Road
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Wetherby
Sub-registration district: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Cryer 27
Kate Atha Cryer 25
Reginald Johnson Cryer 4
Sydney Lee Cryer 2
Charles Bertram Cryer
Elizabeth Wright 15
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4331; Folio: 50; Page: 3;

1911
1911 census transcription details for: 35 St Bees St Moss Side

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN23928 RG78PN1380B RD464 SD4 ED63 SN212


Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Hulme
Parish: South Manchester Enum. District: 63
Address: 35 St Bees St Moss Side
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CRYER, Kate Head Widow F 55 1856 Dressmaker Leeds Yorks
CRYER, Margarite Daughter Single F 24 1887 Actress Boston Spa Yorks
CRYER, George Son Single M 22 1889 Clerk Widnes Lancs
CRYER, Frank Son Single M 20 1891 Plumber Wigan Lancs

Maureen

Well, Melanie, we all love a challenge!

So your mum was not down south in 1911, but in good old Manchester, and Moss Side to boot, sad to say not the best part of town

Does anyone have any idea who Kate Atha Cryer is?

Margaret

My Mother as on b Cert.
Elaine Patricia Maud CRYER. December 14th 1905. Father Reginald CRYER. Corporal Army Service Corps. Mother Maud Cryer formerly KENT. Informant Kate Atha CRYER present at birth. 35 Saint Bees Street Moss Side, Sub-district of Hulme, County of Manchester.
Marriage Cert. not found.

Rose, Charlie, Ida and Sam all born Ireland.

KENT Harry Harris 20 Sept 1887 Cork, Ballinspittle. Naval Officers records. Not sure how to confirm ?
The Harry you picked up is living at 79 Exeter Street, born 1882, Annie was born at no. 67 Exeter Street in the same year. Could this be the son of George KENT snr's brother?
Could well be the right Reginald J. CRYER but I have stuck that on the back burner for the moment hoping to find where my mother was placed in1911.
You are all being amazingly helpful and I couldnt be more grateful.
Melanie.

Possibly Harry in 1911, married less than 1 year:

KENT, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Fisherman Devon Plymouth VIEW
KENT, Emily Wife Married F 28 1883 Devon Plymouth VIEW

RG14PN12967 RG78PN748 RD276 SD2 ED9 SN323

Registration District:
Plymouth Sub District:
Plymouth South East EnumerationDistrict:
9 Parish:
Plymouth

Address:
79 Exeter Street Plymouth

Melanie, what was your mother's name, and where was she born?

Margaret

Melanie,

He's going by his second name in 1911. See my previous post.

MaureeninNY,

That's the one and he goes on to marry Annie L Cross in 1913. Was he actually divorced from Annie Maud at that point?

Rose

Is this the one Rose was talking about?
1911 census transcription details for: 111 London Road Gloucester

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN15287 RG78PN925 RD325 SD2 ED7 SN347


Reg. District: Gloucester Sub District: Gloucester Northern
Parish: Gloucester Enum. District: 7
Address: 111 London Road Gloucester
County: Gloucestershire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CROSS, Anabella Head Widow F 65 1846 Oakridge Gloucestershire
CROSS, William Son Married M 42 1869 Engineer Iron Foundry Stratton Wills
CROSS, Harry Son Single M 35 1876 Foreman Pinworks Gloucester
CROSS, Nellie Daughter Single F 22 1889 Waitress Gloucester
CROSS, Frederick Son Single M 18 1893 None Gloucester
CROSS, Louie Daughter In Law Married
18 years F 38 1873 Nurse Sick Shrewsbury Shropshire
TIPPING, George Visitor Single M 26 1885 Sawyer Wood Walsall Staffordshire
CRYER, Johnson Visitor Single M 34 1877 Clerk Boston Spa Yorkshire


Maureen

Hi Melanie

You are not doing anything wrong, just testing things out as we all need to do.

So some of the Kent children appear to have been born in Ireland, but not the youngest ones? i.e. Annie Maud Harris Kent 1882 and George Kent 1886. We aren't sure about Jack and Harry, or the one child who died.

But I now assume your grandmother is Annie Kent, supposedly married for 6 years in 1911 to Reginald Cryer Johnson, and your mother born in 1905, but neither Reginald nor your mother are shown in 1911.

What was your mother's name?

Margaret

Reginald Johnson CRYER born 1877 Boston Spa York.
1891 census.
Charlotte CRYER Head 65 Widow Retired Inn Keeper. born Tadcuster York.
Reginald J. CRYER Grandson 14 Scholar born Boston Spa York.
1901 census
Reginald CRYER Private Single 24 born Boston Spa Residing London. (Appears to be army quarters)
1911 nothing. Am I doing it wrong again?
Melanie.

Found him listed as Johnson Cryer in Gloucester.

Rose

Have you found Reginald in 1911?

Rose

1911 Census.
Well that left me in shock!
Annie has herself as married for 6 years but still carrying her maiden name of KENT.
My Mother was born to her in 1905 by Reginald CRYER. the Census records NO children to her. Where was my mother?
Harry KENT
Jack KENT both crossed out so assume parents gave names in order of birth... guessing Ireland again as followed by
Rose KENT Lowerstrand? Co. Cork Ireland.
Charlie KENT Kinsale, Co. Cork Ireland.
Ida KENT Ballally, Co. Cork Ireland.
Sam KENT Ballally, Co. Cork Ireland.
9 children born. 1 had died. no name given.
At least I now have all the children even if i have come across some strange goings on! Thank you for your help.
Melanie

Let us know what it says.

I put Ireland in for place of birth and only Rose 1892 appears to be born there.

Rose

Thank you Rose, I will do as you suggest. If the family stories are to be believed, next stop Ireland! Melanie.

Melanie,

You really need to take a look at the 1911 census as was suggested.

Apart from George and Annie, the other children don't appear to be born in the UK.

It will also tell you how many children were born.

Rose