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Hi Viv and Janey,

one of the useful little spin offs from this is that the bathroom vinyl has remained unlaid - but is niow overdue.

I intend a) laying the vinyl and b) starting to call people. I agree - the pretenders can only be fought off with actual caste iron data. I also suspect I will be on the road a bit so the vinyl goes down ronight or never.

One of the branches seems to have nested down within 2 miles of Pauline's address.

I have new information on the Nelson schism circa 1980. Pauline's husband featured in a scandal at about this time and it was picked up by the press who run it large. Pauline divorced him on the back of his guilty plea at City of London Magistrates' Court. I believe they received adverse comment from Nelson family that annoyed them intensely and Horace died soon thereafter. So I suspect it was over protective Lillian who did not invite the Nelson family and may have shunned them.

Its no good this going to town for one £7 BC,I came home £250 lighter after going in the D.I.Y store for the flooring that I have been talking about getting for my office and the bathroom,and now have loads of work ahead laying it.
Funny how you can never find a good man when you need him.,,,sigh,,,

I totally agree with Janey,find one and you will most likely start the avalanche sliding Stephen,word travels fast when it comes to money,your prob will be weeding out the pretenders to the throne

And do please let us know when/if you find any as I am eternally nosey.
lucky for you!.

Morning Janey,

I am now trawling the phone books for any of the names uncovered as I agree the human memory triggers all kinds of gems and snippets.

I will be calling some tonight and see where it goes.

Horace's father was also one of 7 children from Canning Town / Plaistow / Royal Victoria Docks / Silvertowm - all of which are West Ham registration district and (child mortality aside) probably ensured such a high survival rate of the adult male line as they were probably in reserved industries around the docks.

I just do not know about the Nelly / Ellen saga. I will give it some more work shortly.

Stephen

Awake, but barely. Late night working last night.

I think, Stephen, the hope is that if you find one cousin or set of cousins, they will lead you to others? As long as the entire family didn't fracture, and it was just Horace Henry who split off.

I know that I could still find the families of all my mum's cousins born in the 20s and 30s, for instance -- children of old Ernest's kids born in the 1880s and 90s. My mum and her brothers and one or two others are the only survivors of that generation, but I could track down my generation (also older). My mum has always kept in touch with some branches out of her 5 aunts and uncles, and knew at least where to reach the rest 10 yrs ago when she and I and her cousin and her son organized a reunion of the Monck-Dennises. Five years before I found out they are all not Moncks at all! You must read my tale some day. ;)

So if even one of the lines pans out, that might be all you need!

So to be sure which one is yours you need to get their BCs.

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Nelson Nellie Lily W. Ham 4a 72
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Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
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Nelson Ellen Edith W. Ham 4a 110
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Of course my money has to be on Ellen

You took your time dropping in Sylvia,where you been? ,on the lakeside log cabin again swanning it over us poor peasants with no holiday home I suppose.

Going shopping at my local reg office for a BC now,later aligators.

I will follow Nellie Lily through upon my return,unless Janey fancies doing it ,if shes awake yet.

Between the Nelsons and Harwoods they seem to have supplied the BMD registrars with lots of work - so what about the unregistered and died at/near birth.

In probate terms under intestacy my reference is first cousins. If they are alive then it is one cheque. If they bred like this lot seem to have done then I need to order a bigger cheque book.

So my next phase is to find who is still alive or priove death.

Good Morning (UK time), all,

Sylvia, I am beginning to fully understand what this dynamic duo are achieving on my behalf.

What is being especially cheering is the humour and banter. It has cheered me up enormously.

I think I am right in my concern for Nelly / Ellen but am sure the rest are bankable.

Lavina Beatrice Johnson nee Nelson died o 13th March 1933 and she is buried in the next plot to Horace, Winifred and Pauline at east London Cemetery. I have the interment certificate. It must be getting crowded in there.

gawd

you two are good


and good fun to read as well!!


Stephen ...... you don't know how lucky you were to ge tthese two working for you!



sylvia

I got lumbered with a Nelson marrying a Johnson. Not too many of them then!

My grandfather (old weird Ernest's last son - 9th with 7 surviving) was born in West Ham in 1901. Maybe we're related. ;)

Don't forget there could have been mortality between censuses. I only learned of a couple of Ernest's uncles and aunts, for instance, by finding a batch baptism that included children not in any census because they were born and died between. And that surname was Hill, in Devon, so there's no way I can ever be sure there weren't more.

Got your meaning on Ellen now.
I would go for Ada Violets line out of my offerings as I am 99% sure I have her lot correct.
Mind you Albert Williams look good too.

Sorry I was being imprecise.

Ellen Edith 1`903 q1 ref# west ham 4a 110

Nelly Lily was born 1903 or q3/1902.

There is another Ellen turning up on the searches I think 2 years apart.

That dratted west ham district again. good god they must have bred faster than V bombers

One irony is that there does not appear to be any child mortality appearing.

How does Ellen/ Nelly present a problem?

I thought I had followed her down quite nicely,do you think I have the wrong Ellen?

Sorry, if I am tardy in response on here but had to take nap - aforementioned health problem.

Cases of wine to Viv and Janey so far - actual not virtual.

I am slotting all this into the tree on the wall and will test it at some time - the real test is talking to Kunta Kinte's descendants I presume when I find them.

Ellen / Nellie still presents a problem for me as I think this was a cousin. - details as previously stated.

I dont know if they are related and not about to go digging ,but the name Quantick I did remember from somewheres on here...
The only place I am off to now is a nice warm bath.

Later alligators.

Should I remember the Quanticks? It's this nicotine ... and the surgery-induced astigmatism ... a one-eyed jittery person who got too little sleep and has a long night's work preparing to arrive in the inbox in an hour or so ...

Search for Nelson Quantick finds me this:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1137188

?

Don't make me read that again ... not related, are they?

Remember the Quanticks Janey!

Marriages Dec 1923 (>99%)
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Nelson Albert W Quantick W.Ham 4a 4

Followed through and PM sent.
Thats your lot from me.

Please tell us if you have any luck with it all in the end.
viv

Last one?

Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
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Nelson Albert William W Ham 4a 138

You can let us know what you think on here Stephen.
We only pm details that are about the living for privacy sake,the rest can go on here.
My modesty allows me to let the "other"see how good I am at some things.
Viv blows on nails again......

I've sent two likely births for Nelson-Johnson, ruled out some others, found a possible marriage of one child with two possible children, and a possible marriage for one. Suggested a couple of tree matches.

I'll wait for feedback now too.