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I would not rely on other peoples trees for info.
You really need to get james or Johns birth for proof positive I think.Unless they have a copy of one of the childrens certs to share with you.
viv

Thanks Viv I think my Dad can open his wallet as they're his more than mine lol.
I was just wondering though are Mary Ann 1851 and Margaret 1861 probably the same person.

Thanks Julie

pre civil registration marriage

Marriage: 19 Jun 1837 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Joseph Shaw - (X), Shipwright of This Parish
Sarah Hampson - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: Philip Kelly; Ellen Burkey, (X)
Married by Banns by: Oliver Ormerod A M Curate
Register: Marriage 1836 - 1837, Page 206, Entry 616
Source: LDS Film 93919

Thanks Ann Sarah would only have been about 15/16 because she had John at around 17

Cant tell you for sure ,but,there is no Margaret on 1851 and she was 12 in 1861 so should be there,and there is no Mary ann in 1861 and she should be there,unless she died of course.
But that still does not explain where margaret came from on 1861,so I would think that they are the same and someone misheard a name some where.

unfortunately the years you want for baptisms are not transcribed but these are from igi (extracted records)

JAMES SAMUEL SHAW
Christening: 20 APR 1840 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH SHAW
Mother: SARAH

JOHN SHAW
Christening: 29 JAN 1838 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH SHAW Family
Mother: SARAH

I cant thank everyone enough for all your help,I will be showing my Dad tomorrow when I go to visit

THANK YOU
Julie

Baptism: 25 May 1846 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Shaw - Child of Joseph Shaw & Sarah
Abode: Wright St
Occupation: Shipwright
Baptised by: Alfred J Tomlin Curate
Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1847, Page 127, Entry 1016
Source: LDS Film 93885

so possibly not Margaret as she seems to have been b 1848/9 though ages do seem to vary

Baptism: 22 Jan 1844 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Shaw - Child of Joseph Shaw & Sarah
Abode: Bedford St, Toxteth Park
Occupation: Carpenter
Baptised by: C J Wilson, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1844, Page 78, Entry 622
Source: LDS Film 93884

occupation of carpenter & shipwright I think are often interchangeable

Thanks Ann on the burial register it still says shipwright for Joseph and he was 81.On various census he is an ironmonger,shipwright or carpenter jack of all trades probably

Ann...
Showing my lack of knowledge here but...
Where do you get the baptisms from that you have put up please?
I can never find any that have the fathers occupation on other than the london ones on Ancestry.
And do they include RC amongst them?
Just that I have some liverpool ones I would like to find for OHs side.
thanks
viv

they are from one of the online parish clerks sites

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Lancashire is probably one of the best but Liverpool coverage is a bit intermittent
There used to be a v useful search facility but unfortunately that is suspended with technical difficulties at the moment but worth keeping an eye on

If you are after a different county just google online parish clerks & it will give you a list of the counties which subscribe - about 8 I think

lancashirebmd.org.uk is another useful one. If you can find a marriage on there (it is updated regularly) it gives a clue as to which church to look at

Let me know if the church you want is not on line & I can try Lancs record office for you next time I wander in.

Thanks everyone I have just ordered James' birth certificate so lets see if his mother is Sarah Hampson

Take care Julie

Good luck Julie,and do let us know the outcome please.

Oh and thank you for the info Ann.

Still searching,but I never have seen eye to eye with online parish records so it may take some time.

Well I have just received James' birth cert was only expecting it next week because of the postal strike.
It says he was born 27 March 1840 and registered on 14 April I think.
He was born at Fisher Street and that looks like the family home,mother is Sarah Shaw formerly Hamson.
Thanks to everyone who has helped,I might try and chase that marriage up pre sept 1837.

Thanks again Julie

you already have Sarah Hamson's marriage and the children's baptisms - see p2 of your thread

Thanks Ann will I need to go to Liverpool records office to get a copy of the marriage, because it is before registration started

you would not get any more detail than what the parish records have said. There will be no other record, except perhaps banns - the one I gave you is from the site

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

which is a full transcription of the record held in the parish register

Thanks Ann I thought that I maybe able to get their fathers names from somewhere.

I went to Liverpool records office yesterday but all of their viewing machines where booked (boooooooooooo),but I did find 2 will and probate records relating to Joseph and his grandson John.

Shaw Joseph of Brock Street Liverpool shipwright died June 6 1896 administration with will (what does that mean?) Liverpool July 4.
Looks like beneficiaries are James Shaw freight clerk and Ellen Royden wife of Thomas Henry Royden.

Is she Josephs daughter because I can't find a marriage?

The next one is my great grandmothers brother John Shaw who would be Joesephs grandson.
John Shaw 98 Rosebery Street Liverpool died February 10 1957 at Newsham Hospital Anfield.
Probate Liverpool March 29 to National Provisional Bank ltd.
We have a copy of a will which left everything to his nieces from one of his sisters,so why would it say his effects where in probate?

Any help would be fantastic as I am a little confused by it.

Thanks everyone Julie