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Hi Chri
Not the one . I have found the "missing " son George James born 1st qtr 1903, died in same qtr. This is the correct one, as shows parents as George Henry and Alice Edith Martin. Still not able to find the twin. Have had a copy of Lily birth cert read to me , she was born 29/6/1908. Reg july.
No mention of a twin (her birth ref St olave 1d 163)
Having found the missing son, I am happy to leave it at that.
So once again thank you all who helped, and for valuable help given
Pauline Now to look back a generation. More GEORGE 's to find.!!!!

Hi Pauline,

There is another possibile.

I looked for George and Alice's marriage which I see was Dec q 1898.

Births Dec q 1899

Martin George Frederick St Olave 1d 207

Deaths Dec q 1899

Martin George Frederick 0 St Olave 1d 158

Chris

Gwyn, thanks for that info.
Chrissie
Don't think this is my one, as does not show on 1901 census, but a coincedence the name George Charles, (my Father was Charles george)
I am expecting to find a George, (possibly G Henry). There are a lot of George Martins, as every member of the family had a son called GEORGE
thanks all for trying
Pauline

Could this be the one you are looking for

On Freebmd there is the death of

Martin George Charles 1 St Olave

this is in Jun q 1902

Chris

Edit - Just found the birth regd in Sept q 1900

Any child born alive should have their birth registered, no matter how long they lived.
Stillborn children are not born alive. Sadly they die before birth and only these children will be on the stillborn register after 1927. Access to their details is limited to parents, or if the parents are deceased then siblings may apply for details.

Gwyn

Ray
PS Would this certificate have been in force in 1909?
as obviously you were born MUCH later than this
P

Ray,
Thanks for that info. Is there any where this info shows on web site?
There is another missing child in this family, so would like to find out more
Thanks for your input
Pauline

Ray

Hi Pauline. Reference the twin of your Aunt Lilian, if the twin lived only a few hours it would'nt be registered as a live birth it would be classed as stillborn. I am a twin and my twin brother died within 48 hrs. you can get a stillborn certificate from the General Register Office providing you know the date of birth and the parents full names and birth place. it costs £7.00 for a cert. I hope this helps.

Ray

Eileen, does it say where the dead child was in family?
P

Hi Val
wher did you find about the 7 births? I have 1911, just shows the six girls
The gap betwen Eliza and Alice is 4 years so one missing there?? Which I think is The missing son,. I guess the twin was not not registered, as not born alive?
You are all a great a help. I guess different Web sites have slightly more info?
P

The 1911 census say one child has died.
Live children are:-
Mary 12,Eliza 10,Alice 6,Nellie 4, Lily2 and Loui 6 months
Eileen

Hi all,

I looked last night on the 1911 census and found Lilian known as Lily on the census.
It stated that George and Alice had been married 12 years and there were 7 live births but one died. On the census there were 6 children , all girls.

Mary 12
Eliza 10
Alice 6
Nellie 4
Lily 2
Louie 6 months

Val

CORRECTION
BOrn 23/2 1912
sorry

Star 1. The Charles G Martin could be my fath er b 23/2/1812 Mother Bonney
P

Hi Gwen (just back from lunch). I have the 1911 census, no mention of the twin or the "missing" child, unfortuneatly her only child is now also deceased, so maybe will never know!
P

If your aunt's twin was born alive, there should be mention of the birth ( but not the name) in the 1911 census for the family, which records children born of a marriage and any deaths of them.

Gwyn

Hi Girls,
I did wonder about James Henry as being the possible match, maybe a transcribing error 180/185 ??
P

Thanks for your comments, I do not have any certs, for her. Jusy know that she was A Twin and that she was born April 1909. I also have to look for a missing baby in the same family between 190i and 1905. I know that one of them was called George , as that is the family name. Would like to establish his birth/death . I think one of the two above may have been a girl, as my Father was the first surving boy in the family, and he was called charles george, (not George as first name) which was the family tradition.
But thanks for help, I though that by getting the twin, I would be able to find the missing George, as not a direct ancester not to bothered, but it would be nice to put a closure on the family
i guess that the twin was still born,. so no record. I have twins in other side of family in 1880's and that one had same reg no, even though one died ,at birth. (both same sex) Maybe if the baby lived just briefly, it was recorded
Thanks for your replies ALL

Have you the cert for your aunt Lillian to confirm you have the correct birth?

Troble with that one Sheila is that they are five pages apart - so it would be unlikely to be a match. If they were one page apart it would be a possibility ...