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just to prove the Thomas /Ada shown in 1881 is the right one

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1879
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
COLLIER Sidney Thomas Lichfield Newcastle-Under-Lyme FAIRBROTHER L/46/55


edit just realised this is an old thread

Hi Craig

I just found you by googling Reule Cottage Haughton and gamekeeper. I am researching my grandfather who was a gamekeeper in Staffordshire and am trying to find all keepers in the area in the 1900's. I have William Collier b Audley Staffs 1862 at Reule Cottage Haughton in 1911. Can you tell me any more about him please?
Thanks
Helen

so ozi the thomas 1861 didn't mary ada then .also the thomas 1891 is my grandmas father

What you need to do is get his marriage certificate and find out his father's name & occupation. Because Thomas is a plumber his father might be in a similar occupation.

Ozi

I've just checked Colliers born Lichfield on the 1911. This is your family. So Thomas is sticking with his story.

COLLIER THOMAS M 1861 50 Toxteth Park Lancashire
COLLIER ADA MARY F 1855 56 Toxteth Park Lancashire
COLLIER SYDNEY THOMAS M 1882 29 Toxteth Park Lancashire
COLLIER THOMAS M 1891 20 Toxteth Park Lancashire
COLLIER NELLIE LOUISA F 1893 18 Toxteth Park Lancashire
COLLIER ETHEL COLLIER F 1897 14 Toxteth Park Lancashire
COLLIER ARTHUR THOMAS M 1899 12 Toxteth Park Lancashire
COLLIER LYDIA COLLIER F 1903 8 Toxteth Park Lancashire

No we've checked him and he didn't marry Ada, so don't get that cert.

Your bloke consistently says he's born Lichfield in 1862. As the census is taken in late March/early April it means he was probably born sometime between March 1861 & March 1862. These are the males born in Staffordshire at that time.

Births Mar 1861
COLLIER Frederick Burton upon Trent 6b 2_8

Births Jun 1861 no males

Births Sep 1861
COLLIER John Stone 6b 32

Births Dec 1861
COLLIER Edwin Burton 6b 270
COLLIER William Kings N 6c 403
COLLIER William Thomas Newcastle L. 6b 60 - found not to be your bloke.

Births Mar 1862
COLLIER John Stourbridge 6c 195
COLLIER John Stourbridge 6c 196
COLLIER Joseph Burton 6b 287
COLLIER Walter Stoke T 6b 202

It is quite possible he wasn't born in Staffordshire at all but moved there when he was little and didn't know otherwise.

Can't find a Thomas Collier in 1871 that would fit.


Ozi

do you think he was actually called william same as his father but was known as thomas

That's fine, & it may prove to be right because we can't find him any earlier than 1881 at the moment. Although we can't find a Thomas Collier from Newcastle under Lyme either.

We'll continue looking so keep checking back.

Ozi

it was just information i was given a few months ago

We know this Craig, but you told us he was from Newcastle under Lyme and now we've shown you he's from Lichfield. We always work backwards & we're trying to find him. Just be patient.

Ozi

1891 England Census
Name: Thomas Callier
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ada M
Gender: Male
Where born: Lichfield, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 51 Tamworth St

Occupation: Plumber

Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Callier 30
Ada M Callier 30
Sidney T Callier 11
Florence M Callier 10
Thresa E Callier 8
Amy M Callier 5
Henry I Callier 3
Thomas Callier 7/12



1901 England Census
Name: Thomas Collier
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ada Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Lichfield, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Lichfield St Chad
Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield St Chad
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 87 Stowe St

Occupation: Plumber

Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Collier 40
Ada Mary Collier 40
Amy Collier 15
Henry Jno Collier 14
Thomas Collier 11
Nellie Louisa Collier 9
Ethel Collier 3
Arthur Thomas Collier 11 months

iasked someone to look for thomas in the cencus and his parents would be there.it's them i need as i asked when i started this topic

The Thomas Collier married in Lichfield was born in Lichafield, miles from Newcastle, and isn't the William Thamas in the census's that have been posted. This his him from 1881

1881 England Census
about Thomas Collier
Name: Thomas Collier
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ada M.
Gender: Male
Where born: Lichfield, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Lichfield St Mary
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Bakers Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Plumber

Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Collier 21
Ada M. Collier 20
Sidney T. Collier 1
Florence Collier




Andy

1881 England Census
Name: Ada M. Collier
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Lichfield, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Lichfield St Mary
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Bakers Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Plumbers Wife
Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Collier 21 - Lichfield
Ada M. Collier 20
Sidney T. Collier 1
Florence Collier

As he's still single in 1891, it doesn't look like this bloke married Ada.

Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
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COLLIER Thomas Lichfield 6b 537
DUMBLETON William Lichfield 6b 537
Fairbrother Ada Mary Lichfield 6b 537
Stevens Ellen Maria Lichfield 6b 537


Have you found him in 1881 ?

You asked for Thomas but are now happy to accept William?

If you answer the question then you might get the right man

he married an ada fairbrother in lichfield in 1879.andrew i had that birth gro no. already but wasn't 100 percent but that looks like him and his family

1881 England Census
Name: William T. Collier
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Audley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Holehouse Farm
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Farm Servant (Indoor)
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 22a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Clowes 40
Elizabth. Clowes 26
Frances W. Clowes 15
Adaline D. Clowes 12
Gertrude Clowes 9
Edward F. Clowes 6
Hannah Clowes
Hannah Fenton 81
William T. Collier 19


1891 England Census
Name: William T Collier
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Audley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Haughton
Ecclesiastical parish: Haughton
Town: Haughton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Reule Cottage

Occupation: Game keeper

Condition as to marriage: S[ingle]

Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William T Collier 29
Emma Collier 59 - widowed mother
Rose Collier 19 - sister
John T Obery 2 - nurse child

thanks for that .it looks like him .i will after get some certs to get parents