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thanks jan i keep finding out lots of strange stuff,thank you this lot looks right anything you can find out on mary 1869,amy1870 would be appreciated

yeah i have had loads of those kind of thoughts,thanks to everyone

just a guess - Albert could be a good mate who works with William and needs somewhere to live

thanks for that would anyone like to guess who this albert williams is that keeps showing up

Just a quick comment re. Smethwick - I have relatives from here too, and to my surprise Smethwick at the time came under Kings Norton! So it all ties in.
Jan

1881 England Census
Name: William Page
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Prior, Hereford, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 106 Osler St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Railway Platelayer

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Page 40
Margaret Page 34
Mary E. Page 12
Amy Page 11
Nellie Page 9
Annie Page 5
Albert T. Williams 26




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2972; Folio: 103; Page: 38; GSU roll: 1341711.

possibly

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
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COOK John Dudley 6c 24
GORDON Emily Dudley 6c 24
*********LOVELL Margaret Dudley 6c 24
*********PAGE William Dudley 6c 24


Mother in law on 1871 census is Elizabeth Lavel (Lovel on original)

1871 England Census
Name: William Page
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Prior, Herefordshire, England
Civil parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmund
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Lavel 69
William Page 29
Margaret Page 24
Mary E Page 2
Amy Page 1




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3012; Folio: 12; Page: 21; GSU roll: 838859.

1891 England Census
Name: William Page
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Prior, Herefordshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Summerfield Christchurch
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Railway Platelayer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Page 50
Margaret Page 44
Mary E Page 22
Annie Page 15
William Page 9
Margaret Page 6
Albert T Williams 34




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2374; Folio 103; Page 30; GSU roll: 6097484.

possible death of William Page snr

Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
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Page William 61 Birmingham 6d 10

1901 England Census
Name: William Page
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Prior, Herefordshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Grocer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 150
Household Members: Name Age
William Page 60
Margaret Page 54
Mary E Page 32
Annie Page 25
William Page 19




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2830; Folio: 135; Page: 24.


Address is same as for William's marriage in 1910 -

128 St Mark Street

william and ellen got married in july 1910 aged 28 in the parish of smethwick a tad unexpected and his father was called william but already deceased now searching for death record of him, her father was called henry barrett william was living at 128 st marks street birmingham on the day of his marriage she was living at 99 salisbury road.whether this info helps or hinders is yet to be proved either way. thanks again for your help

thank you so much for that

If you wish to order that cert, you can ask the gro to check the original for you. They did this for me with a good result.

Contact them on:

[email protected]

Just give them all you can see re. the entry. EDIT I've had a look, it is wrong, have sent correction to freebmd.

Or just do the easy thing and order it with William's name only!!

Marriages Sep 1910

Page William King's N. 6c 871


Jan

Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
BARRETT Ellen King's N. 6c 571

as the page number isoutside the expected range for King's Norton I would guess it should be 871 (though it could easily be transcribed as 571 on looking at the image

it is a pity that the image for both William and Ellen are possibly the most unreadable on their individual image pages

all the others on the p571 for Ellen are Pershore district

thanks for trying

well i know ada married a man called frank white and had a daughter not the childs name

This is the above family in the 1901 census but Ada is not with them ....she could have got married or be a servant somewhere else

Name: Ellen Barrett
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Summerfield Christchurch
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Barrett 52
William H Barrett 21
Ellen Barrett 19
Ernest Barrett 17
Dorothy Barrett 14

i think this them but cant be sure as i cant access the next census. thanks

1891 census....there is this Ellen with a sister Ada

Name: Ellen Barrett
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Barrett 43 b Farthinghoe Northants occ House Painter
Ann Barrett 42
Clara Barrett 19
Minnie Barrett 16
>>>>Ada Barrett 13
Henry Barrett 11
>>>>Ellen Barrett 9
Ernest Barrett 7
Dorothy Barrett 4

Rest of family born Birmingham

You really need to get the Marriage certificate of William & Ellen to confirm if this is the right Ellen