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Hi everyone, I'm trying to find a Ethel Emma Sumner, born in 1904 Hayes on the 1911 census but can not seem to find it anywhere.

I know that she married a Frederick Barty (1897-1979) and had a number of children including Hazel Barty (1927-1984)who married a Reginald Gizzi. Hazel Barty is my aunt's mother.

Any help would be really fantastic.

Before i go looking

Can i just say what an amazing array of names!!


Tracey x

Do you have the marriage cert and therefore know the name of her father?

SUMNER, Ethel Daughter F 7 1904 Westhoughton Lancs

on the 1911 father Daniel mother Emily.

EDIT:

The other 1911 census of the granchild is probably the right one and not the one i have posted.

Tracey x

Yeah I know, I could not believe it when my uncle asked whether i could search his wife side of the family,

By the way, there might not be much about the Gizzi as they came from Italy.

More Gizzi's than you think....

Household GIZZI, Alfred 1910 1 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Andrea 1855 56 M Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Angelena 1886 25 F Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Angelo 1875 36 M Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Angelo 1903 8 M Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Annie 1876 35 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Annie 1907 4 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Anselms 1899 12 M Plymouth Devonshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Antonio 1873 38 M Newport Monmouthshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Augusta 1852 59 F Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Carolina 1826 85 F Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Caterina 1874 37 F Newport Monmouthshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Cathleen 1908 3 F Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Daniel 1844 67 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Daniel 1909 2 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Edith 1901 10 F Plymouth Devonshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Edith 1890 21 F St Asaph Denbighshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Frederick 1910 1 M Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, John 1885 26 M Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, John 1909 2 M St Asaph Denbighshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Joseph 1907 4 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Katherine 1878 33 F Holborn London VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Lewis 1889 22 M St Asaph Denbighshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Lucy Annie Bertha 1880 31 F Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Madeline 1905 6 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Maltilda F Plymouth Devonshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Maria Lillian 1908 3 F Holborn London VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Marles 1892 19 M Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Mary 1884 27 F Holborn London VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Mary B 1888 23 F Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Matalena 1867 44 F Newport Monmouthshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, May 1905 6 F Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Mike 1878 33 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Miklia 1903 8 M Mutford Suffolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Nicholas 1880 31 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Rose 1911 0 F Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Thomas Dominick 1878 33 M Cheltenham Gloucestershire VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Violet 1908 3 F Wayland Norfolk VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, William John 1911 0 M Holborn London VIEW VIEW
Household GIZZI, Winifred Florence 1907 4 F Holborn London

The 1911 lol


Tracey x

Sorry - I deleted this - was Hayes in Staffordshire?

1911

Person: SUMMER, Ethel
Address: 7 Moorland View Fegg Hayes Stoke on Trent


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BACE, Richard Head Married M 58 1853 Miner Coal Hewer Staffordshire Mow Cop VIEW
BACE, Elizabeth Wife Married
40 years F 59 1852 Cheshire Congleton VIEW
BACE, Ethel Daughter Single F 20 1891 Potters Gilder Cheshire Congleton VIEW
SUMMER, Ethel Granddaughter F 5 1906 Staffordshire Fegg Hayes VIEW
SUMMER, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 10 1901 School Staffordshire Fegg Hayes VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16465 Reference:
RG14PN16465 RG78PN1020 RD360 SD2 ED9 SN51

Registration District:
Wolstanton Sub District:
Tunstall EnumerationDistrict:
9 Parish:
Chell

Address:
7 Moorland View Fegg Hayes Stoke on Trent County:
Staffordshire

I have found a reginald g gizzi 1920-1994 with mother's maiden name as Ransom according to the freebmd site. I cant find marriage for a gizzi-ransom.

Hayes in the middlesex area.

I have sent an email to my uncle to see what more info there are.

Possible?

Name: Ethel Emma Summer
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 15 Jan 1905
Father's Name: James Summer
Mother's Name: Patience Summer
Parish: Saint Mary, Hayes
Borough: Hillingdon
County: Middlesex

that could be the one i'm looking for but will have to check with my uncle when he reply to my email.

I have alot of doubt over the surname BACE....

Can find nothing on them, K what does the actual image say?


Tracey x

The image of the childrens surnames looks like Sumner... and Richard's looks like Bale...?


Tracey x

Sorry - the actual image on the baptism could well be Sumner - James is described as a labourer

BINGO!!

BALL...his name is Ball.!!!

1901
BALL, Richard Head Married M 49 1852 Coal Hewer Below Ground Mow Cop Staffordshire
BALL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1852 Congleton Cheshire
BALL, Ethel Daughter Single F 10 1891 Congleton Cheshire
HEWITT, Hannah Daughter Married F 20 1881 Congleton Cheshire
HEWITT, James Son-In-Law Married M 20 1881 Coal Hewer Below Ground Cuddington Green Cheshire
>>>SUMNER, Nellie Grand Daughter F 6 1895 Congleton Cheshire
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RG number:RG13 Piece:2590 Folio:91 Page:10

Civil Parish:Tunstall Municipal Borough:Address:13, Biddulph Road, Tunstall County:Staffordshire


Tracey xx

1891, one othese girls is the parent of the Sumner children?

BALL, Richard Head Of Family Married M 39 1852 Coal Miner Mowcop Staffordshire
BALL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 39 1852 Congleton Cheshire
BALL, Levinia Daughter Single F 19 1872 Dressmaker Congleton Cheshire
BALL, Ellen Daughter Single F 17 1874 Silk Winder Congleton Cheshire
BALL, Hannah Elizabeth Daughter Single F 10 1881 Congleton Cheshire
BALL, Frank Son M 5 1886 Congleton Cheshire
BALL, Ethel Daughter F 0 (6M) 1891 Congleton Cheshire
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RG number:RG12 Piece:2844 Folio:47 Page:16

Civil Parish:Congleton Municipal Borough:Congleton Address:Boundary Road, Congleton, Buglawton County:Cheshire

Tracey x

Lavinia....!!

Marriages Sep 1894
Ball Lavinia Congleton 8a 463
Sumner Joseph Congleton 8a 463

I think thats a complete circle there?

Edit:

I have contacted FMP with a transcription error report for both surnames.


Tracey x

Colin

I like the idea of the birth you found and found other possible siblings


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Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
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May Winifred Sumner Uxbridge 3a 49

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Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
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May James Henry S Uxbridge 3a 62


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Births Jun 1908 (>99%)
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May Vera Sumner Uxbridge 3a 63


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Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
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MAY Welcome James S Uxbridge 3a 56

The marriage to go ith the births?

Marriages Jun 1896
>>>May Alice Amy Uxbridge 3a 55
Stone George Uxbridge 3a 55
>>>Sumner Alfred Langley Uxbridge 3a 55
Webb Emily Uxbridge 3a 55

Tracey x

wow, alot of info there, great work but will double check with my uncle. I'll be going off-line soon and wont be back on this tread til sometime in the week but hopefully by then I will of heard back from my uncle.

If the 1905 christening I found is correct the parents christian names where James and Patience - Thiis could be Patience's death

Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%)
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SUMNER Patience 46 Uxbridge 3a 49