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I really need some help please with Thomas Ackley and Elizabeth Ann Wheeley who I believe could have been my Great Great Great Grandparents..I dont have a date or place of birth for either so any additional info would be much appreciated. My Great Great Grandmother was Harriett Ackley born about 1830. Birth place unknown but its does state on her Marriage Cert in 1852 that her Fathers name was Thomas Ackley profession Ware House Clerk. I did find another Baptism for Elizabeth Ann Ackley and it staes Father profession Ware House Man. Would anyone be able to find any other Baptisms or additional information on these two please. I,m sure the above are my 3 x Gt Grandparents but I,m not sure..I cant even find them on the Census.

Kind Regards Marion


Name: Thomas Ackley Spouse Name: Elizabeth Anne Wheeley Record Type: Banns Event Date: 28 Nov 1813 Parish: St Bartholomew the Great County: London Borough: City of London


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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Elizabeth Ann Ackley
Name: Elizabeth Ann Ackley
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 Nov 1816
Father's Name: Thomas Ackley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Ackley
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
County: London






Source Citation: Guildhall, St Giles Cripplegate, Register of baptisms, 1813 - 1817, P69/GIS/A/01/Ms 6423/1

Hi Marion,

Who did Harriet marry?

Dee x

EDIT>>>>>>>>> ok got it;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Harriet Ackley
Name: Harriet Ackley
Spouse Name: Robert McClelland
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Jun 1852
Parish: Saint Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
County: Middlesex
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Thomas Ackley
Spouse Father Name: John McClelland

Dee x

Hi,
I also cannot find any of them on any census....Harriett should be on the 1861 married to Robert... Have you found her?

Regards Vera

1841

Looks like she is a f. servant to a stock broker..

Harriet Ackley
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Giles Camberwell
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Hershey 9
Harriet Ackley 15 not born in county


Regards vera

This is the 1851 census....these are the people on the 1841 census that Harriett Ackley worked for........now look ..there is another Ackley
this time she is down as niece

Mary Ann Ackley
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Bathnel Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
Town: Peckham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Boughton 76
Harriet Boughton 61
Jane Boughton 6
Ellen Fox 24
Mary Ann Ackley 12


Regards VEra

found this -

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Harriet Ackley
Date of Trial: 29 Jan 1849
Trial Year: 1849
Location of Trial: Surrey, England
Sentence: Acquittal
Crime: concealing the birth of her infant
Date of Execution or Release: See Image



Source Citation: Class: HO 27; Piece: 89; Page: 200

possible death

Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%)
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McCLELLAND Harriett Farnham 2a 70

Good Find Choccy...I wonder where she is in 1851....and 1861 when she was married to Robert.

Regards vera

1871 England Census
Name: Robert I McClelland
[Robert John McClelland]
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Plumstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Plumstead, West
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 128
Household Members: Name Age
Robert I McClelland 14
Ellen McClelland 40
Caroline E McClelland 9
Harriet A McClelland 7




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 788; Folio: 42; Page: 24; GSU roll: 827742.



Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Carr Ellen Greenwich 1d 780
McClelland Robert Greenwich 1d 780



Caroline and Harriet would be children of Robert's marriage to Harriet (if correct Robert!)

Found this birth....same qtr and year as Harrietts death...

Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
???
McCLELLAND Agnes Farnham 2a 84


I am wondering if this Agnes is the Harriett A McClelland on the 1871 census........Farnham includes Aldershot.


Regards Vera

Thanks for all your replies. Harriett did marry Robert McClelland in 1852 but I have never found her for 1851. From the marriage Cert her Father is down as Thomas Ware House Clerk. Thats all I know about my GG Grandmother.. Caroline and Agnes were her daughters and Ellen Carr was their step mother..Nothing has been found either for Mary Ann Ackley after the 1851 Census.. Any more help with Mary Ann would be most appreciated and Harriett for 1851.. Robert McClelland my GG Grandfather served in the Royal Artillery.

Kind Regards Marion

Hi Marion,
Have been looking for Harriett Ackley on the 1851 census...with so far no luck. The criminal record Choccy found was that your Harriett.....I was wondering if she might have changed her name after she was acquitted. Just on the 1851 census........I did find a Harriett Boughton in Norfolk about same age. Any thoughts.

Regards Vera

Hi Vera,
Five years I have been trying to solve this one and for a while I had to put it in the too hard basket...Harriet Boughton the stock brokers wife was born Harriet Ackley in Loughborough..I dont know if she was the sister of Thomas Ackley Ware House Clerk or man that married Elizabeth Wheeley.. I dont even know if Thomas Ackley and Elizabeth Wheeley were my Gt Gt Gt Grandparents but as it stated Ware House Man as a profession for that Thomas when he married Elziabeth its the closest so far to Ware House Clerk which was the profession stated on the marriage cert for my Gt Gt Grandmother in 1852 for her Father Thomas Ackley. I dont even know if Mary Ann Ackley was my Gt Gt Grandmothers sister but I wish I could find more on her.. This time round Vera I dont want to give up the search.. The clue I feel lies in the area of Surrey and Camberwell. Ackley is not such a common name so its matching them all up. Big job though..Can you help with Mary Ann born Bethnal Green please. Ann must have been her middle name.

Thanks so much Vera.
Marion

1871: Robert is born Ireland, Harriet is born Aldershot. This looks like Robert snr was in the army. The family could've been in Ireland in 1861.

Ozi

Ah, so you already knew this.

From www.ancestryaid.co.uk:

Robert McClelland was a Sergeant in the Royal Artillery and served on the Troop Ship The Himalaya but Harriett did not go with him at any time he went and served abroad. I have the Royal Artillery papers to support this.

She obviously went to Ireland as that was where her son was born.

Ozi

OZ Bird, Harriett had a son? Is this the baby she was trying to hide the birth of? Robert McClelland was not in England or Ireland in 1861 as he was aboard the Himalaya.. Later in 1861 when he landed back in Portsmouth his company did set off on a long march.. I have all the records of this march OZ Bird...I am so confused now about this baby.

Marion

Sorry I cant get into Ancestry.. Can anyone shed some more light on this..OZ Bird was the son born Ieland but the trial in England?


Harriet AckleyDate of Trial: 29 Jan 1849Trial Year: 1849Location of Trial: Surrey, EnglandSentence: AcquittalCrime: See ImageDate of Execution or Release: See Image


I,m getting excited about all this new info..


Thanks so much

Many apologies, Marion, I was tripped up by Robert being transcribed as 14 in 1871. Should've been 41. Just what you need, a dyslexic transcriber!

I see you have been searching for her for a long time. Do you know if she was she living in the barracks at Aldershot?

Ozi

Have you followed this lot? The address is Female Asylum on one page and Gloucester Place Asylum on the next. It only has 25 inmates. The inmates are grouped into households of 3 or 4. Neither Mary nor Charlotte are born in county. Of course, it may just be coincidence that they are together.

1841 England Census
Name: Mary Ackary
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Civil parish: St Giles Camberwell
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Female Asylum

Occupation: Inmate

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George Camberwell
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ackary 40
Charlotte Broughton 70
Elizabeth Auther 70

Here's Charlotte in 1851. The place is called Friendly Female Asylum, and the enumerator has been kind enough to add Alms Based, Gloucester Place. Again they seem to be in small households of 2-3. Ignore the "visitor" that's been mistranscribed from the following person, Frances.

1851 England Census about Charlotte Broughton
Name: Charlotte Broughton
Age: 83
Estimated birth year: abt 1768
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: No. 18, Friendly Female Asylum

Occupation: Widow of a House Steward

Condition as to marriage: widow

Disability: Blind

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Lake 70
Charlotte Broughton 83
Frances Bragg 23 - visitor