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1911 census

DAWNS ALFRED WARNER M 1887 24 Nantwich Cheshire
DAWNS HARRIETT ANN F 1888 23 Nantwich Cheshire

Clement Arrowsmith is one half of another couple whose marriage just happens to appear on the same page of the register..................in no way connected

Thanks you v.much for this. Yes this is Ethel my grandmother, she was married to Norris. I appreciate our advice, and offering help with my query.

On the marriages with Harriet and Alfred, there's the name Clement Arrowsmith...do you know if this is a previous marriage?

Many thanks

I hope this proves how important it is to work backwards - one step at a time.

Hope you find the info helpful..............

His parents' marriage

Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
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DOWNS Thomas Nantwich 8a 506
WARNER Hannah Nantwich 8a 506

1891 - father WAS Thomas - but not the one born 1828

Name: Alfred W Downes
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Crewe, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Crewe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Crewe
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Downes 38
Hannah Downes 40
Thomas Downes 10
Edith Downes 8
Ernest Downes 6
Alfred W Downes 4
Eleanor Downes 1

??

Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
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Downs Alfred Warner Nantwich 8a 309

??

Name: Harriet Ann Furniss
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 348

I think this is the necessary confirmation

Name: Ethel Furness Weston
Birth Date: 27 Nov 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: May 1997
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Vale Royal
Inferred County: Cheshire
Register number: 1F
District and Subdistrict: 3451B
Entry number: 115

Children of the above marriage?

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Downs Alfred E Furniss Nantwich 8a 601

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Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Downs Ethel F Furniss Nantwich 8a 514


Was her husband Morris Weston?

This is a possible marriage - the cert would tell you his age and father's details

Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
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Arrowsmith Clement Nantwich 8a 762
Downs Alfred W Nantwich 8a 762
Furniss Harriett A Nantwich 8a 762

You seem very unsure about your info - have you tried to find Ethel's birth on freebmd?

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Who did she marry?

Thank you ...

Alfred was my parternal grandmothers father. Her name is Ethel (c1918), she had a brother called Edmund.

Alfred married Harriet - not sure of year.
They lived in Crewe and he died c1973.

Son Richard in 1901

Name: Richard Downs
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Laura
Gender: Male
Where born: Crewe, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: Crewe St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Crewe
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Downs 44
Laura Downs 36
Ada Downs 10
Arthur Downs 8

The son Thomas in 1901

Name: Thomas Downs
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: Crewe St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Crewe
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Downs 48
Hannah Downs 30
Thomas Downs 20
Edith Downs 18
Ernest Downs 16
Albert W Downs 14 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Alfred
Elenor Downs 11

Thomas (1828) in 1871 - with a SON Thomas

Name: Thomas Downs
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Northwich
Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Crewe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Downs 44
Jane Downs 47
Thomas Downs 18 Born LIVERPOOL
Sarah Downs 16
Richard Downs 14 Born CREWE
Jane Downs 11
Alice Downs 6
Gorge A Downs 4 Born CREWE

Charlotte

Start with what you KNOW

Which of Alfred's children was your grandparent? (As I asked above)

You must work backwards, systematically - it's the only way to be as sure as you can be that you are on the right lines

Thank you Shirley, this does sound them them - I'm wondering if perhaps Alfred was a grandchild rather than a son....

this could be them on the 1891 census,both a bit old to be having a son c 1880??
Name: Thomas Downs
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Northwich, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Crewe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:59 sanabach street

Occupation:boilermaker

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Crewe
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Downs 64
Jane Downs 66
Jane Downs 31
Alice Downs 26

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2852; Folio 27; Page 47; GSU roll: 6097962.

No Alfred with them though

thanks, i'll take a look...just trying to get the hang of all this