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Ah. ;)

Yup. Tracey -- do get the Annie + Edward marriage certificate.

When you receive it, come on back to this thread -- click "My threads" over on the left side to find it any time. And add a post with all the info from the marriage certificate (place, ages, fathers, witnesses) and we'll return to the charge!

If Edward - born JunQ 1912 - is their son, which seems highly likely - then the marriage also in JunQ 1912 probably DID happen in a registry office.

I think the only certain thing is to send off for that marriage cert ...

Jill

That's where I've been looking Janey - but they are parish records and would not include the registry offices - which is why I wondered.

Jill

The marriage is at about mid-page 1:


Marriages Jun 1912
Buck Edward A Stembridge Islington 1b 675
STEMBRIDGE Annie Buck Islington 1b 675


Tracey, you really really do have to start there.

Unless, MsG, that super index I don't pay for access to at Ancestry has that one too??

Didn't spot that 1901 - but it matches which at least, as you say, connects them in.

I cannot spot Annie and Edward's marriage - tried all sorts of combos. I wonder if they married in a registry office maybe? Either that or they are both mistranscribed!

Jill

That's terrific - at least it confirms that the people in the 1901 and 1911 censuses -- Ellen and Annie Stembridge -- are all the same, with parents Thomas and Ellen. That father Thomas in 1901 was a wine & spirit merchant's cellarman.

(MrsG -- the 1901 is right near the top of page 1.)




What Tracey needs is the Annie + Edward marriage certificate to find out who her Annie's father was, now!

Mabel's marriage:

Mabel Stembridge
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Spouse Name: Arthur Sidney Barnard
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1909
Parish: Saint Peter
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Stembridge
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Barnard

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Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Peter, Islington, Register of marriages, P83/PET2, Item 021

The marriage above:

Thomas was a seaman and his father was a bricklayer.

Ellen was a domestic servant and her father was a cellarman.

Address for both is 116 Cottenham Road.

Wits:
Arthur Sidney Barnard
Mable Stembridge
Thomas Stembridge.


If Ellen is Anne's sister then you may be able to find the family in 1901.

Jill

Does this help?

Thomas William Garters
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Spouse Name: Ellen Jubilee Stembridge
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 May 1909
Parish: Saint Stephen
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas William Garters
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Stembridge

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Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Stephen, Islington, Register of marriages, P83/STE2, Item 014

Tracey -- the only way to connect a birth to a census record is to get the birth certificate that shows the same parents as are in the census household!

But you start with what you know. In this case, it is the marriage of Annie and Edward. You get that marriage certificate, and it gives you both spouses' fathers' names and occupations, as well as the spouses' ages.

We all have to do that. Certificates are the only reliable links in a chain. You order them here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


You have to know *something* about these people or you wouldn't be looking for them!!

A sibling's name, a child's name ...?

There has got to be something you can tell us about them other than when Annie died and whom she married. And it likely would have saved a lot of blind man's buff here.

1911 census

STEMBRIDGE ANNIE 1894 17 Islington London
GARTERS ELLEN JUBILEE 1888 23 Islington London
GARTERS THOMAS WILLIAM GEORGE 1910 1 Islington London


Ellen Garters would be the sister Ellen J Stembridge who was 13 in the 1901 census.

No apparent marriage for her, however.


Births Mar 1910
GARTERS Thomas William G Islington 1b 170


Here we are:

Marriages Jun 1909
GARTERS Thomas William Islington 1b 421
HEMBRIDGE Ellen Jubilee Islington 1b 421

Hi everyone, sorry i am a novice at this! I do appreciate all your help but still finding the results confusing as unable to connect their births to 1901 census information to be sure who they are! thanks Tracy

And Edward's death, I presume:


Name: Edward Arthur Buck
Birth Date: 2 Sep 1891
Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1988
Age at death (estimated): 97
Registration district: Hereford
Inferred County: Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 29
Page: 362


Likely making him the one posted above:

Births Sep 1891
Buck Edward Holborn 1b 673


Both seem to have adopted middle names not in their birth registrations.

I just read Lesley's thread on Tips pointing out that Ancestry's 1984-2005 deaths index is now the whole thing, *1916* to 2005.


Name: Annie Gladys Buck
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: Q1-Jan-Feb-Mar 1979
Registration district: Hereford
Inferred County: Hereford & Worcester
Volume: 29
Page: 0320


So now we know that her name WAS Annie, and not Anne as the header says, and as we have all been searching for.

Of course, Tracey could have given that info some time ago ...


So as I said:

Births Dec 1894
Stembridge Annie Pancras 1b 44

Could match DOB on death cert.


And the name.

Tracey, please. I really don't want to have to go fetch info from my inbox and bring it back here and copy it into the thread here. (Like most such private messages, yours doesn't even have a name in it, so if I happened not to have seen it until tomorrow, I would have been searching around my threads list to figure out what it was about ...)

Please use the purple REPLY button at the top of the thread and add a post here with the info you sent me!

And then there's the separate thread about Edward Buck

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1191904


Tracey, would you post in the thread here -- use the purple Reply button -- and offer ALL the info you have? About both people. It makes far more sense to combine the searches.

There are a few Edward Bucks born around 1891 but this one is born in Islington which would fit in with the info

Name: Edward Buck
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas Pentonville
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 399
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Buck 41b Islington occ House Painter
Mary A Buck 43 b St Pancras
Annie Buck 15 b Clerkenwell occ Milliner's assistant
Alice Buck 12
>>>>Edward Buck 9
Kate Buck 5

Rest of children born Islington

There are these births which could be possible children from the marriage

Births Jun 1912
BUCK Edward A S Stembridge Brentford 3a 218
Births Mar 1915
Buck Gladys A Stembridge Islington 1b 339
Births Sep 1920
Buck Doris M Stembridge Islington 1b 724


Do the children and Islington area ring any bells?

This could be their marriage

Marriages Jun 1912
Buck Edward A Stembridge Islington 1b 675
STEMBRIDGE Annie Buck Islington 1b 675

It looks like she was called Annie

PM from Tracey

she was born stembridge, I dont know who her parents were, she married my grandad edward buck who was born in 1891 but I cant figure out him on the census records and I dont know when they were married.