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Hi,
I am trying to find any information on the descendents of Joshua Evans. Joshua was my great great Grandfather and the census has him being born in Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales circa 1852 and killed in a railway accident on 5th October 1887. Death was registered on 11th November 1887 while employed as a Forman Railway Shunter for the London and North Western Railway.
Joshua married Elizabeth Evans (again born in Welshpool according to the census) probably around 1874 and had children Elizabeth (1874), Joseph (1877), William (my great grandfather 1878 to 1939), James (1882 to 1930), Charles (1884 to 1957), and Thomas (1887). Elizabeth went on to marry Albert Worsdale in Wigan in 1889.
Unfortunately there is no record of his birth in Welshpool at around this time and that is where my search has ended, I would like to trace his father, mother, brothers and sisters.
Many thanks in advance,
Russ

1881 Census has him born about 1849?

Name: Joshua Evans
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ince in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Pickup St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Shunter L & N W Railway

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Evans 32
Elizabeth Evans 30
Elizabeth Evans 7
Joseph Evans 4
William Edward Evans 2

Their marriage cert would give you his father's name and occupation.

Also, was Elizabeth also an Evans?

Jill

The route to follow for the best chance of success would be to obtain the marriage cert - it will include his father's details (if known)

On 1881, the two younger children were born Ince

This cert will give MMN

Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
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Evans William Edward Wigan 8c 108

Found this possible marriage:

Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
Bradshaw Maria Swansea 11a 981 Scan available - click to view
EVANS Elizabeth Swansea 11a 981 Scan available - click to view
EVANS Joshua Swansea 11a 981 Scan available - click to view
Lock Samuel Swansea 11a 981 Scan available - click to view


If you're not sure of Elizabeth's surname then you need the cert of one of the children to verify it.

Jill

If this is the correct marriage, then the cert should have fathers name/occupation to help a census serach

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
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EVANS Elizabeth Swansea 11a 981
EVANS Joshua Swansea 11a 981

Andy

Thank you for all your replies,

I have my great grandfathers birth certificate (William Edward Evans) and it has my great great grandmother as 'Elizabeth Clark Evans formally Evans' I am assuming the Clark in her case was wrong since he is also called Joshua Clark Evans on the document.

My problem has been the I cannot trace any marriages between the two in Welshpool and therefore couldn't request the marriage certificate.
Swansea seemed a long way from Welshpool.

Russ

Is this his death?

Deaths Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Evans Joshua 35 Wigan 8c 30

Yes, he died in Wigan, at the Royal Albert ?(can't read this bit) Infirmary, Wigan.

Royal Albert Edward Infirmary

Hi,

I don't know if anyone can help me any further, but I have just had a call from the Swansea registry office and the marriage between Joshua Evans and Elizabeth Evans does not match up.

Without the correct marriage certificate I don't think I will be able to get any further forward.

Any help or ideas will be gratefully accepted.

Russ

although Edward is registered as Evans freebmd it is slightly different on lancs bmd

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
CLARK-EVANS William Edward Hindley Wigan & Leigh

whereas Joseph has been transcribed

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
EVANS Joseph Clark Hindley Wigan & Leigh

Thanks Lancashireann,

Thats interesting, firstly I didn't know William Edward (my great grandfather) had the Clark middle name, it isn't on his birth certificate; secondly we don't know where Clark comes from, usually it it from the mothers maiden name but in this case it was also Evans and lastly, I wonder if Joshua, whom I am most interested in, may have been known as 'Clark-Evans'.

It is only a thought, but thanks again,

Russ

still can't find anything on Joshua. Have you found Elizabeth in any other census. Presumably her 2nd marriage certificate would give her father's name

I never thought of that!

Would her second marriage give her fathers details?

I know she went on to marry an Albert Worsdale in Wigan in 1889. Albert I think was born in Wiltshire circa 1850. I haven't any more details than that.

Russ

I would have thought her father would be named. Most of the other entries for a 2nd marriage that I have seen seem to have that info

edit - if you do order that certificate I would just use Albert's name as Elizabeth is Evens in both freebmd & Lancs bmd

1891 England Census
about Albert Worsdale
Name: Albert Worsdale
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Worsdale 41
Elizabeth Worsdale 38
Joseph Worsdale 14
William Worsdale 12
James Worsdale 9
Charles Worsdale 7
Thomas Worsdale 4
Elizabeth Worsdale 18




Andy

Thanks lancashireann and Andy,

I think I will order the marriage cert. Would it be possible to confirm the 1889 date for the marriage?

Cheers,

Russ

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Beattie Jane Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view
>>>>Evens Elizabeth Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view
Garvin Thomas Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view
>>>>WORSDALE Albert Wigan 8c 101 Scan available - click to view

Thank you!