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I agree with Lancashire Ann you really need some birth certs, your nan's and perhaps one of the younger children Ada or John

Colin I know you said that John's wife was Mary Ellen but in 1891 it is Sarah

John Banks
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Maghull, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Walton On The Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Banks 27 occ; Carter
Sarah A Banks 26
Robert J Banks 3
Elizabeth E Banks 3/12

Jennifer

I think you really need your nan's birth certificate. Apart from proving the maiden name of her mother, if she was a twin I think it was usual to include the time of birth on the certificate, presumably so that it later years it could be proved who was the elder.

from same source Roberts marriage (at a guess mis-transcribed!!!)

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909
BANKS Robert
PIERCY Robert
Everton, St. George

Oh Ann now you've confused me even more!!

I'd forgotten about those Lancs BMD's they are very good.

the Fylde marriage John Banks is the wrong groom for Charlotte Goode - she married John Moore

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
GOODE Charlotte
MOORE John
Blackpool, St.Paul

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
BANKS John Edwin Ward
HAMILTON Sarah Ellen
Blackpool, St.Paul

Colin the 1911 is very confusing. I have looked up the birth of your nan Elizabeth Ellen in mar 1891 and there are no other Banks recorded.

The census has been written in 2 different handwritings.

Do you thinks that John could have done the first bit and put down Eliza Ellen age 20 and then someone else perhaps Harry Murray added his and his wife's name. I do think that Eliza Ellen and Elizabeth Ellen are probably the same person. Someone has also written marr 15 yrs against the Murray couple then crossed it out and in pencil underneath it says 1yr which is the more likely one.

I am not sure also about the 1901 family I have added above as I found another one with a John, a Mary Eliza, Elizabeth E and an Annie

Don't they like to send up on wild goose chases

Jennifer

Thhas similarities, will look again at it and campare the ages and speak to my Uncle, there is no Ada in this family, have been on this for months and when the 1911 census I got yesterday blew everything out, espeically if it is right, my nan had a twin, I was young when my G/dad died and not alive when my nan died, but great nan lived longer than her daughter...and was known as nan...

this could be Robert's marriage but to which Florence I couldn't say. None coming up with Charlotte as a wife

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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BANKS Robert W. Derby 8b 476
FARMER Florence Louise W.Derby 8b 476
PIERCY Florence W.Derby 8b 476
WEIR Charles Herbert W.Derby 8b 476

is this them in 1901??
John isa Carter, it says married but no sign of wife

John Banks
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Banks 60
John Banks 36
Alice Banks 21
Ellen Banks 17
Robert Banks 13
Elizabeth Banks 10
Annie Banks 8
Maggie Banks 6
Henry Bridge 26

Could Robert and Charlotte be the married couple..

I see that against his 'brother' Robert he has written married under 1 yr. Where is his wife?

I had this thought, but he must have put the kids down as borther and sisters instead of Son and daughters , mistake on his par, Have heard relatives talk of them as the kids to John

yes FYLDE is a reg district in Lancashire and includes :

Blackpool; Blackpool North; Blackpool South; Fleetwood; Kirkham; Lytham; Lytham St. Annes; Poulton le Fylde.

Colin out of curiosity I have looked at the image. Very confusing!
All the children are down as brother or sister in relationship to the head and not son or daughter

So must have been a 2nd marriage ,
which you may have found in 1902 What is Fylde, is this a district ....

If Charlotte was only 34 she couldn't have been married to John for 28yrs

yes youngest is JOhn

this is the only marriage coming up for a John Banks marrying a Charlotte

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Banks John Edwin W Fylde 8e 1347
Goode Charlotte Fylde 8e 1347
Hamilton Sarah Ellen Fylde 8e 1347
Moore John Fylde 8e 1347
Ward-Banks John Edwin Fylde 8e 1347
the last name is a correction to the first name, but I see thta the John born in 1911 was John W Banks

it says 28 yrs , there is a gap from one that is 15 yrs and the next being 7 yrs then the youngest is 3 weeks old the eldest is 23 and the twins are 20 and there is a 18 yr old, Charlotte I hadnt heard of, so assuming a 2 nd marriage