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on ancestry there is the original marriage record for Thomas Browning and Fanny Wybrow (spelt wybron on ancestry) in November 1861 newington, southwark

BUT.....can anyone read Thomas's address at time of marriage........I am trying to trace him before his marriage and need to see where he is in 1861 (ie on 1861 census)......as the wedding was only 6mths after the census, i thought these two might tie in.............but I cannot read his address on the MR

Possibly Charles St

Gloster Street ?

thanks Astra, but I know for sure that is not my Thomas Browning........he died 1864.......his widow Fanny Wybrow (born Takeley, Essex) was a widow and still living in Newington in 1871


This is my Problem, I do not know where Thomas Browning was from, the only info I have is what is on the MC.........I thought by finding him in 1861 , I then could work backwards........so I had hoped any address on the MC and 1861 census would match as they were within a few months of each other

Gt. Dover Street?

Dea x

OOOps - sorry - that was someone else on the same page!!

I will take another look.

Dea x

Sorry about that - It is CHARLES Street !!

If you compare the C to the other writing on the page - the first cert I looked at (Gt. Dover St) has the grooms occupation as Clerk !! - The same 'C'

There is also someone on there with occupation of 'labourer' and that matches with the 'r' in Charles which could look like as 's'.

Definately Charles Street!!

K above also agrees!

Dea x

thanks Dea, now I need to find a Thomas Browning at Charles street on 1861 census and I'm sorted..........miracles might happen!..................can anyone help find him in 1861 at that address

Does the marriage cert give his age and father's name etc?

there is no age, it only says full, his father is Thomas both thomas s were labourers

Any age on his death cert?

I havent got the death cert.....think I need to get it!

he died southwark 1864

Sadly I think its the only way forward. I have checked the 1861 and no one is obvious. I think they hide on purpose sometimes! It will also give his occupation which will help

Good Luck

Kay

No 'proof' yet but I think this one MUST be favourite ??

1861 England Census
about Thomas Browning
Name: Thomas Browning
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton At Hone, Kent, England

Civil parish: Southwark St Saviour
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
John Browning 46
Mary Browning 46
Thomas Browning 30 lodger - Labourer at Gold Melters



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 315; Folio: 31; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542613.


I suspect that John will be a brother?

I will go and look.

Dea x

Dea

I am an idiot - I discounted that one because I thought it would be their son!!

Kay

it would be good if we can trace the same line back to 1851 + 1841 census with a father Thomas!

Thanks everyone, your so kind!!!!!

"Silly K" (tee hee) !

Not their son - only a lodger BUT 'probably a VERY probably related !

Brother, cousin, nephew ?? - We have to trace them back !

Dea x

I think this is the same Thomas in 1841 - The shortened version on Ancestry does list this as Sutton on Hone -But no father

Name: Thomas Browning
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: Swanscombe
Hundred: Axton, Dartford and Wilmington
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Dartford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elisa Browning 35
Eliza Browning 15
Thomas Browning 11

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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THOMAS BROWNING Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
03 JAN 1830 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS BROWNING Family
Mother: ELIZA

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C135142 1757 - 1840 0992536 Film 6906644 Film
Sheet: 00

THOMAS BROWNING Pedigree
Male


Christening: 03 JAN 1830 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England


Parents:
Father: THOMAS BROWNING Family
Mother: ELIZA


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

1. MARY ANN BROWNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 NOV 1816 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England

2. THOMAS BROWNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 JAN 1830 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England

3. GEORGE BROWNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 JAN 1819 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England

4. HENRY BROWNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 JUL 1823 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England

5. JAMES BROWNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 JUL 1825 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England

6. ELIZA BROWNING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 MAR 1827 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England


Him and siblings

I think we may be on the right track K !

THOMAS BROWNING
Christening: 03 JAN 1830 Sutton At Hone, Kent, England


Parents:
Father: THOMAS BROWNING Family
Mother: ELIZA


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record

Dea x

OOps!! - You all beat me to the button!

Dea x