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You have to take birth dates with a pinch of salt, don't forget back then they didn't celebrate birthdays like we do
& the 1891 does say he is 35 so it does tie in with the M/C

well i already trawled through 1911 for every charles and eliza without being corrected on the birth dates. It is important to give as much info as you knowabout names dates and places.

If she was pregnant at the time of the 1891 then there is this 1in the area that they were living in in 1891

Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
Pearce William Henry St. Olave 1d 264

Hi Maureen

i just added to my other post....i have seen the image & it's all in a muddle

I don't know,Julie. The William John JACKSON on the 1891 seems firmly entrenched in that family. I think this is likely him:
Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Jackson William John St. Olave 1d 287

Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%)
Jackson William John 1 St. Olave 1d 181

Maureen

With respect Sylvia

Julia in that other thread is only asking for the 1911, the info she gave for the 1901 was off the back of this one, and on this one we still need the 1891

Well done Maureen

I wondered about him being registered as Rivers

but if you look there is a William John Jackson on the 1891 that you found & one of the births i found was a William John Pearce

OK forget have just looked at the image..whoever transcribed thats need glasses

Well you lost me too. I was also reading that he was 35 at time of marriage.

see also

www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1199520

Marriage Ref:
Name: Eliza Jane Rivers spinster (can't read her address,but it looks like 4 Ad??)
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: William Pearce bachelor Occ: Clerk 15 Neptune Place
Spouse Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 May 1891
Parish: All Saints, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Rivers dec'd Commercial Traveller
Spouse Father Name: James Pearce dec'd Labourer

Oh goodness!!!!!
This HAS to be them!! And no thanks to Ancestry...
Name: Liza Jane Jackson
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Richd
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End
Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:3 Adam Street
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Richd Jackson 35
Elizabeth Mary Jackson 29
Elizabeth Catherine Jackson 7
Richard Willm Jackson 5
Sarah Jackson 3
Emma Jackson 3
William John Jackson 10/12
Albert Snelling 21
>>>William Plane 35 Pearce on image Occ: Constable L.C.D. Coy born Poplar
>>>Liza Jane Jackson 26 obviously Pearce

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 381; Folio 77; Page 10;

So that ties in somewhat with the 1901 Julie found. (except for the ages..) And where is young William? I wonder if he was registered as RIVERS??

Maureen

Thanks again for all your help

julia

I have the info on the orphanage that thay were put in to we have all the letters of entry and who put them there makes interesting reading

Hi Julia

Be careful with those births William C is defiantly not your William as that ones parents are coming up as Edwin & Ellen on the 1891

There is another William Pearce on the 1891 he is down as born 1890 & parents names are William & Elizabeth but they are not your William & Eliza as other info is not the same as the 1901


So i wouldn't put my life on as either being correct.......really need to pick your guys up in the 1891

gosh you lot are amazing i wouldnt have found all of this out ( im not that computer literate) thank you so much especially julie who looks as though shes cracked it

am going to meet my dad tomorrow so i have printed it all off and he can take a look

thanks again everybody

julia

There are 2 possibles for Williams birth

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Pearce William Charles Islington 1b 397
Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
Pearce William John Islington 1b 285

maybe this one

Day: 13

Month: 1

Year: 1858

Forename: Eliza

Othernames:

Surname: Rivers

Fathers forenames: William

Fathers occupation: Master Mariner

Mothers forenames: Eliza

Birth date: 23 July 1857

Address: Stainsby Terrace, Poplar

Location of church: Limehouse

Parish: St Anne

Church address: Commercial Road

Entry No: 1614

Source Ref: X069/002

Transcriber Note:

1901

Eliza Jane Pearce
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Wm
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, London, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 220
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Pearce 53....1848, Poplar, Middlesex, England
Eliza Jane Pearce 32
Wm Pearce 11.....1890, Islington, London, England

Williams occupation is a Constable (Docks)

________________

This is Eliza in the 1871..by the 1881 her & Rose were in an orphanage

Eliza J Rivers
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George J
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 144
Household Members:
Name Age
George J Rivers 34
Mary A Rivers 30
Geo Williams 10
Annie A Rivers 8
Emily H Rivers 7
Clara A Rivers 5
Agnes T Rivers 3
Eliza J Rivers 2
Rose Rivers 11 month

FLO

her maiden name was RIVERS

MAU NY

we think he wwas born around 1888 as we have his death certificate but cant find any record of this

FLO

william jnr married FLORENCE ADA POWIS on 7th oct 1933 by ths time he was a COMMISSIONED SIGNAL BOATSWAINE
on
H.M.S..VICTORY portsmouth

julia

This has a william and Eliza but he is a fishmonger

1901 census - household transcription
Person: PEARCE, William
Address: 55, St Peters Street, Islington
PEARCE, William Head Married M 47 1854 Fishmonger
City
London VIEW
PEARCE, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1861
Stepney
London VIEW
PEARCE, William Son Single M 16 1885 Telegraph Operator
Newington
London VIEW
PEARCE, George Son Single M 14 1887 Telegraph Messenger
Newington
London VIEW
PEARCE, Charles Son Single M 9 1892
Camberwell
London VIEW
KIDSON, Frederick Nephew Single M 35 1866 Fishmongers Asst
St Georges in E
London

1911 census - household transcription
Person: PEARCE, William George
Address: 68 Borough Road Southwark

PEARCE, William George Head Married
33 years M 54 1857 Lic Victualler London Clapham VIEW
HOUNTON, Lily May Servant Single F 24 1887 Barmaid London Islington VIEW
BETTS, James Martin Servant Single M 21 1890 Barman Norfolk Norwich VIEW
ANGUS, George Alfred Servant Single M 24 1887 Potman London Peckham VIEW
MARTIN, William Servant Single M 32 1879 Barman London Spalding VIEW
BARHAM, Lucy Monica Servant Single F 35 1876 Cook Domestic London New Cross VIEW
CRONAN, May Servant Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic London Poplar

Unfortunatel mrs pearce not at home