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Have just read your latest reply and yes I have looked at Bridge and all it has to offer, along with others who are searching. Many many thanksfor all of your findings.
It has just sunk in that on the 1911 census he states that place of birth is unknown. He certainly kept his past close to his chest. The records in Canterbury have been searched without success by a researcher.
Apologies for not responding before but I am unable to use my L arm at the moment.
Asking on this site was just a possiblity that new light could be shown on the subject.
Once again many thanks and wish you all the best for 2010
Margaret

Hope you will soon be recovered , Margaret
Meanwhile -there is another possibility which might be intriguing
If you "Google" Bridge in Kent there is a bit on the village which mentions Bridge Hill House being once the home of the grandson of the French philosopher MONTESQUIEU. His full name sems to be Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de la Brede et de Montesquieu born 1685 died 1755
His grandson could conceivably (sorry about the pun) be the father of HGM or more likely HGM read about him and decided to adopt his name or the closest he could get to it. Doesnt help with HGMs real name of course
Think I will have to give up on this now

I would like to thank you all for your interest and time taken in pursuing my elusive Henry.
Sorry not to have replied before but have a health problem at the moment.

Best Wishes
Margaret

Well, Fanny, you are very trusting but thanks for at least reading it!
Another bit to toss in the pot
Robert Reece seems to have been a major slave owner in Barbados and there are several Reece's born in Bath who may be connected
Louisa b 1840 W Indies living Bath 1891
John Robert b Bath 1821 d Bath 1873
Hester b Reece b 1800 Bath living 1861 Monmouthshire

In 1841 Henry Montague and Lily seeem to be together aged 40 and 20 respectively in St Botolphs London -he is a Butler!!

I am not in a position to shoot anyone down in flames Gillian as I seem to have mislaid my flamethrower......:)

But you may very well be right as you put a very persuasive case.

I am not going to double check though and I will trust you on it.
viv

No comments from anyone? If only to shoot me down in flames?

The Henry Graham Montague Sr above (b 1801 Marylebone) appears to have been sentenced to 7 years transportation for fraud on 17/9/1852 so maybe the "Professor" bit was all a lie!
His wife appears to have born Lily Amelia Cunningham Reece acccording to the IGI and her father Robert Reece but I can find anything further on her or Robert
I do feel that this family has at least a connection and it may be that there was an earlier marriage or union which produced the 1839 Henry -that is if he is telling the truth about his age!

And in 1868 Sep Q in St James Middlesex Lily Amelia C Montague married (presumably after Henry Graham Montague's death but I can find that with certainty) one Charles Alfred Marlow

In 1871
Charles A Marlow 41 Tailor b Ludgershall Staffs
Lily A 46 wife Tailoress b Bath
William H Marlow 10 b Stoke on Trent
Robert G Montague 8 stepson b High St Bloomsbury(this should I think be Albert William George who is with them 1881)

So that Henry had a stepfather Charles

Other than finding that Herbert Maximillian died in 1852 and Blanche Annabelle (as she should be in 1851) married 1869 Sep Q Chelsea I cant find the rest of the family so they are either another mystery or one and the same mystery!
Ada Rosina married George West brooke in 1862 Jun Q St Giles and then married again in 1892 William Harper

I am inclined to think that the child with the Elsworths is the same Henry who is a convict in Pentonville Prison in 1881 -the date and place of birth fit better.
And I also feel the child in school in Jersey is most likely to be the Henry born 1839 Beccles to Edward Proudfoot Montague and his wife Eleanor.He has a brother Edward who is also in boarding school (Lewes)

Has anybody considered this one for 1851?
Marylebone
Henry Graham Montague 50 Professor of ? and Physiology and Public Warden preserving ?? (illegible to me but someone else may do better)
Lily 29 wife born BATH
Blanche Anne C 8 b Cripplegate
Ada Rosina 7 b St Pancras
Henry G (illegible) 5 b St Pancras
Eugene Victor 3 b Marylebone
Herbert Maximillian 10 mths b St James

I know the year of birth is out but there are connections with Lilys place of birth and Henry Sr occupation sounds similar to Henry Jrs

I have been looking at original 1841 census and i think head of the house was George Todd born @ 1786 in Scotland married to maria born Woowich kent.
If you look at side of every new address it has Do but not at side od mary elsworth's name.

I can't make out George's occupation but in 1851 he is still at 7,Warwick St and he is Pensioner Petty Offficer born Fife Scotland.
1861 still at warwick st and says born Brighton and he is Pensioner Inspector.

Maryb

Found these maybe no connection but.
1861 Charles Montagu born 1820 Scotland lodging in london occuption I think is something to do with east india service.
1871 in Brixten london Charles Montague occupier born 1815 Scotland Pensioner Govt Official.
Bit of a coicidence given Charles was father on marriage certificate and George Todd who Henry was with was also born Scotland.

My gut feeling is that I would send for this,as I do think it is the same child as on 1841 census with Elsworths.,and if you can find his mother you may well tie her in with the Montagu/e,s.

Births Mar 1841
Barnet Henry Barnett Montague Greenwich 5 235

He may well have been born to a male Montagu/e which is why he has it as a middle name and dropped the Barnet/t later in life if his natural father paid for him to go to school in Jersey and they wanted to keep up appearences of his respectability.
Where he got Grahame from,who knows,maybe it was something to do with his mother or he just liked it.

So his natural father may well be a Charles Montagu /e as per his marriage cert.

Thanks will get the hang of this procedure eventually.
On all the certifcates I have Henry puts his father as Charles of independant means. Whether Charles ever existed or not is another matter. In the obituary I have there is no mention of any siblings or other of his family members neither is there in his will. I do have all the relevant documents etc for him from the age of 17, but , as I have said nothing relating to his birth or parents. He did tell my grandmother she would never find out where he came from, and oh! boy did he hide that info.
As you can image after 4 marriages and 19 children there are many descendants and due to the internet many of us have made contact and we are all looking for our heritage details.
Any ideas where one could go to find someone illegitimate?

Margaret

Message from Margaret.

Hi
I do have that info on Jerrsey and did contact the Jersey dept who very kindly looked into the school and the pupils. However the school disappeared and all records of the pupils disappeared as well. I did think that looked so promising.
Many thanks for all of your investigations

From Margaret

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Do you have Henrys marriage to any of his wives for his (possible)fathers name? If not you really need to invest in one ,the one to Louisa would be best as it may have other of his family on as witnesses.

So you dont think there is any chance of him being born under another surname(like Barnet )then ?
viv

I wondered both those things too Mary.

But I still think that Henry Barnett Montague Barnet Greenwich birth would be worth investigating.

What do you think.

Yes just found all those but could the 1902 be his son do you think.
The Graham is spelt different.

Maryb
P.S its a wonder he didn't wear something else out.

Married FOUR times,! did he wear his wives out with childbearing???


Marriages Dec 1861
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Montagu Henry Grahame Bath 5c 1259


Marriages Dec 1891
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Montagu Henry Grahame Axbridge 5c 977

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Marriages Jun 1902
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MONTAGU Henry Graham Bristol 6a 212

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Marriages Sep 1909
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MONTAGU Henry Grahame Bristol 6a 391

1871 kids were Albert E 1867
Charles 1865
henry G 1863.

1891 he was a widow as louisa Maria died 1890 kids with him Florence age 22
Ethel 19

Edith 12
Lilla 9
Mabel 6

1901 kids with him
Gordon 1894
Gladys 1897
Alice age 8
Douglas 1899
Elizabeth Tucker domestic servant born Blaina Wales age 18 this is the elizabeth off 1911 census
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1911 kids with them Reginald 1896
Douglas 1899
Percy 1902
Ella 1904
Ronald 1906
Ivy Elizabeth 1908
Evelyn 1 month.

Who was the mother of the kids born between 1890 to 1901 and after as on 1911 census it says Henry and elizabeth married 1 year and had 1 child in that marriage.
Henry was a bit of a lad as I think i counted about 18 children.

Maryb

An interesting birth to go with the 7months child on 1841 as there is no "Henry Montagu/e" for him.
And the name doesnt show on 1841 or 1851 at least.
And no death that I can find.

Births Mar 1841
Barnet Henry Barnett Montague Greenwich 5 235

And from 1901 back it says Sanitary Inspector,so I suspect 1911 is wrong as that is the one he filled in himself !

1911 says pensioned police inspector although in 1901 he is still a retired sanitory inspector and widow.

Maryb