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Mick

Public Family Tree on ancestry ..... do you know about this?

Winterton/Butcher/Mayhew/Bloomfield 28/9/09
Owner: ashburnham_1

Mary Jane Williamson

Timeline

1862
Birth
Scalloway Shetland Scotland

1862
26 Jun
Christening
Tingwall Shetland Scotland

1886
10 Mar
Age: 24
Marriage to Charles George Winterton
North Leith, Scotland

1897
16 Sep
Age: 35
Death
Lambeth London
Drowned at sea?

Parents

Thomas Williamson
1829 –

Catherine Laurenson
1830 – 1891


Siblings

Laurence Laurenson Williamson
1853 –

David Williamson
1856 –

Jane Williamson
1859 – 1861


Spouse & Children

Charles George Winterton
1859 – 1922


Jane Evelyn Winterton
1887 – 1897




Some different suggestions (died at sea???) ...... but seems to indicate Jane lived to ca 1897. Guesswork????



Jane Evelyn Winterton

Timeline

1887
2 May
Birth
South Leith, Scotland

1897
ABT
Age: 10
Death
Ireland?
Drowned at sea?






sylvia

Errr yes Sylvia- I do know that tree, its mine actually! lol

xxxxx mick

After a search I have come up with virtually nothing. There does not seem to be any wreck or disaster at sea between Scotland and Ireland in 1897. This is the site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks

and these are the only two which are near to the date. And southampton isn't any good is it that's down south. Going to try to find info about the other one.

State of Louisiana a passenger liner ran aground on 28 December 1878 on Hunter Rock

LSWR SS Stella passenger steamer from Southampton to Guernsey ran onto the Casquets reef 30 Mar 1899 (105 dead).

I am trying to prove your theory that "lost at sea" was a convenience!!

Well the 1888 one is way out of date and the other one no good. What exactly does "drowned at sea" mean. Well other than the obvious ship wreck or fell overboard.

Promise you won't yell!!! You don't by any chance know what part of Ireland they might have gone to, if it is that they actually went to Ireland. I'm asking because there are lots and lots of lists of obituaries available to search, and by year. I have just done the one for Limerick because there was an accidental drowning listed. Nope nothing for JE Winterton.

Just so you know what I am talking about here is the link. And I have no idea where Limerick is apart from Ireland. Twas just a thought.


http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/Obituaries deathnoticesinquestreportsfuneralreportsetcfrom TheLimerickChronicle/1897incomplete/

Aunty
I have checked his army records again- No evidence that he ever went anywhere near Ireland! He served in Malta 1893-1895, then Jamiaca 1899-1901.

xxxx mick

I'm tending to the theory that she was put into care of some sort ........ assuming she lived for a period after birth


and that her name on a census will be either left blank, as initials only, or put under another surname


or that she died and for some reason has not been registered.



It may well be an unsolvable problem.



EDIT: I've just picked up on thsi posting of yours

Aploogises about the baptism - the baptism record I have is for the 1st wife showing she was a member of the church when she got married.



Does this in fact mean that you don't know whether the child was born alive?


Are the two entries on family search the only record?
Both are the same ..... she was baptized on 2 May 1887 at Leith, from a CD-ROM from familysearch.


where did that information come from?




sylvia

You say you have 1891 Census for all Charles siblings


What about for Mary Jane's siblings?



sylvia

Hi Sylvia

I have the original hand written Scottish birth certificate, - it says born 6.30 PM on 2 May 1887 at Creshill(?) Barracks, South Leith - registered by father on 3 May 1887.

I have checked all Charles's siblings and all of Mary Jane's that I can locate on the 1891 & 1901 censuses.

xxxxxx mick

OK


so that answers those two questions!!

IF they went to the trouble of baptising and registering her, then one would think that they would also have registered her death and had a burial service


............... unless things were in such a turmoil that they forgot.

OR she was immediately handed over to a wet nurse because momma was ill



Oh .................. don't you wish we could have a conversation with some of our ancestors sometimes!!




sylvia

Or wish that my father had asked his father a few more probing questions.
Or maybe he did know the true story but covered it up as it was so scandulous!

Hi
just thought I would mention this tree on Ancestry. Harvey /Nelson tree has your family on, also the photograph of Charles Winterton has been saved to the Collins family tree

Thanks Quoy - Harvey is a relative - he pinched all that from my tree.

xxxxx mick