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hi there janeycanuck

may i apologise firstly for giving you the wrong information this was not done on purpose.

i have found marraige certificate of john holroyds wife and yes his wifes surname was martin

i am also trying to find information about john holroyds siblings now and
i do keep trying on the site that you told me about, but please remember i am very slow at this far from as experienced as your self but also i do appreciate all that you have done for me

as and when i find information out i will post it on here you might want to double check that i got it right please if you would be so kind

very kind regards

mark

Mark, come on, that wasn't "someone" who found the other siblings' names -- in the 1911 census posted on page 1 -- it was me, the one and only person, to my knowledge, who has been helping you out here and by PM.

You know how Ladykira found those births, because I explained it carefully to you at least once and understood you had understood and were going to do the search ...

Ladykira, Mark said he was going to do that. So I didn't think it necessary to do it for him, although obviously I could have.


Mark -- the thing is, you have called her COLENA MARTIN in your most recent post, when you called her COLEANNA SWEENEY in your first. The info has changed post by post on almost every point, I'm afraid.

I found the Holroyd-Martin marriage at the time all I had was your info that her name was SWEENEY.

Your most recent post says she was MARTIN. I don't know whether that is because that's the marriage I found, or you have other info showing that name.

Because she married Holroyd as MARTIN and you had given her name as SWEENEY, I was looking for something to explain the change of surname, e.g. a previous marriage.

There are no Holroyd-Sweeney births, but I do see a Holroyd-Martin birth that would appear to be their child.

So I don't understand why you said her name was Sweeney, is the thing ...

how do you do it so fast, some one very kindly found out that my
grandad had a brother called albert, & william, sister margaret and susan

what i am desperatley trying to find out is there childrens names but there marraiges first

many thanks

mark and donna

also worth a look

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Holroyd Albert Clarke Bolton 8c 863

I found four possibles.

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
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HOLROYD Doris Clark Sheffield 9c 1306

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Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
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Holroyd George Clark Sheffield 9c 1207

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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Holroyd Harry Clark Prescot 8b 1105

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Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Holroyd Arthur Clark Prescot 8b 1403

go back to freebmd

Type in fathers surname and mothers maiden name

do not use firstnames on this search. click on births and see what comes up.

hi there

many thanks for all your help yesterday i am now trying to find john holroyd's siblings wish me luck

kind regards
mark

caps off

you are so fast i will get onto it in the morning no doubt i wil try and get in touch again sorry do you think that c. holroyd was married before?

Helps considerably - except that you don't want to start using all capitals because it feels like being shouted at. ;)

You did say her name was COLEANNA, you see, not COLENA.

So you have the info to go hunting for siblings born after 1911 -- the 1911 census shows the ones born before that.

You may need paid access to Ancestry to find the siblings' marriages and children, and that's where we'll come back in to help.

JOHN HOLROYD WAS BORN 3RD FEBRUARY 1902

DIED 1983 IN WAKEFIELD

WIFE COLENA MARTIN BORN 21/3/1912 IN WAKEFIELD

DIED 9TH APRIL 1983 IN WAKEFIELD

JOHN HOLROYDS PARENTS

ALBERT HOLROYD BORN 1870 IN PRESTON MARRIED IN 1891 TO

MARGARET JANE CLARK WHO WAS BORN 1872 IN MANCHESTER DIED IN WAKEFIELD


HOPE THIS HELPS A BIT BETTER THANK YOU

Aha. I figured searching for other Holroyd deaths in Wakefield around the same time might do this trick.

Name: Colena Holroyd
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1912
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 1283


marriage

Name: Colena Martin
Spouse Surname: Holroyd
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1931
Registration district: Wakefield
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 171


So she was previously married? It would seem unusual since she married at 19 ...

Still can't find her birth - not that you were asking, just to get the big picture.

the address that you posted was correct

i will be looking on the other internet site tomorrow moring to check as well

the name of his parents are also correct

thank you

Mark ...

(a) Your PM to me said 1993, not 1983. Next tip: proofread!

(b) ** What are his parents' names??? **

(c) Is the 1911 household I posted the correct one - are those his parents?

(d) Have you tried searching for children born after 1911 at FreeBMD as I described?


Oops - you posted more in the interim - but still haven't given that info!

No fear, we'll just make you a project. ;)


... Okay, still finding no John Holroyd death anytime around 1983 -- ??

-- Nope! That was me being a moron. I was looking for the death of a John Holroyd born in 1983, not the death of a John Holroyd in 1983 ...

Name: John Holroyd
>>> Birth Date: 3 Feb 1902
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 1560

hi

he was born 1901/1902 had brothers that lived with him too

hi again

i am so sorry i did not realise your time where you were....

it is nearly half eleven here so i will be calling it a night shortly and i will be getting all information out in the morning bet you wished you had never
replied back to me

many thanks and enjoy your meal

he died in 1983 november because he died at my parents house where i was living at the time and i no he definetley born in 1901/1902

Ah, we crossed in the post. ;)

Okay, now add the info here -- and I may have to beg off til tomorrow, it's 6 pm here in Canuckistan, and I'm starving!

Nope, Mark, this time you have to DIY!

The thing is, nobody but me can see what you send me by private message (when you click on my name). And then I have to go hunting back on the board for your thread to connect up the info. If you add a message to the thread instead, it's all together in one place.

So nope -- *you* add it here!

Just click the purple REPLY button up at the top of the thead, the box will open, put the info there, and click Submit.

and do please use that "enter" key at the end of sentences -- see how much easier it is to follow with some white space thrown in?

got the inbox right