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Is the 1871 census you found the one I added to my post above? ;)

I doubt you would find many details about prisoners anywhere.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1590
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

I don't see any record there but you might want to do a more diligent search. ;)

What's the best place to search for the reasons Charles was a guest at her majesty's pleasure? Would that be looking att he National Archives or am I making life difficult for myself?

Ha - am chuffed I have found them on the 1871 census :oD

details to follow....

I was editing. ;) I'd say there's no doubt that's your man's father! And his birth, with the names reversed.

Still no marriage, though ...

Definitely something to think on and aside from tracking down charles henry 's birth it's a huge possibility.... all good

Name: Henry Merrick
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
> Where born: Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England

> Civil parish: Carlton
Town: Carlton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
> Registration district: Basford

Henry Merrick 70 - stocking weaver, married
Sarah Pearce 50 - lodger, widowed


Gotta be related. Charles Henry Merrick's father?


1881

Name: Henry Murrick
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
> Where born: (Tewsbury), Gloucestershire, England
Occupation: Marina Stores Dealer

> Civil parish: Leicester St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire

Henry Murrick 59
Mary Murrick 50
George Ward 39 - lodger


1871

Name: Charles Merrick
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Sewkesbury Gloue
Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: Nottingham

Henry Merrick 43 - framework knitter
Mary Merrick 40
Charles Merrick 6
+ lodgers


The only Charles Merrick births in Tewkesbury:

Births Sep 1864
MERRICK Charles Ernest Godwin Tewkesbury 6a 403

Births Jun 1866
Merrick Charles A G Tewkesbury 6a 422

but AHA

Births Jun 1864
MERRICK Henry Charles Tewkesbury 6a 418


He went by his middle name, which is why the "Henry" is included in all his census records.

Ooohhh now that is an interesting one! Not surprising my dear Old George altered the details on who his dad was on his marriage certificate ;o)

Will have to pull the 1881 census up to look! Hadn't noticed the differences in ages between the 1901 and 1911 census returns..... will have to have another look....
Interesting tho that in 1901 his wife is Mary C but in 1911 she is Kate but there is a child called Mary Catherine? Something fishy going on??
NB Kate is my dear George's mother (as per birth cert)

Some head scratching is approaching and some research on the prison too

Thank you again :o)

Hmm.

1881

Name: Charles Henry Merrick
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer
Condition as to marriage: Unmarried

Civil parish: Leicester St Mary
County/Island: Leicestershire
Street Address: "County Prison"

1911?

MERRICK CHARLES HENRY 1859 52 Leicester Leicestershire
HOUSEHOLD MERRICK KATE 1869 42
MERRICK ROSE HANNAH 1896 15
MERRICK THOMAS CHARLES 1901 10
MERRICK MARY CATHERINE 1908 3


Since 1901, he had aged 13 years and she had aged 14 years. Hm.

At 42 she was just barely old enough to have been married 24 years! which would be 1887ish. At 28 in 1901, she wasn't. ;)

Hi There
No I couldn't find a marriage either although I did find a charles henry merrick marriage in 1893 in leicestershire but no O'Neill spouse (Leicester 7a 298 Jul/Aug/Sep)
Only found the 1901 census after getting the birth cert (trying to do bits whilst looking after my lil 2 year old mini monster)
I am wondering if Charles Henry did marry Mary/Kate whether they have married in Ireland as this is where she is from but then they could have married earlier as according to the 1911 census they had had 11 children of which only 4 were surviving, the 1911 cenesus also told me they had beed wed for 24 years.
ALL very interesting :o)

You've found them in 1901 but you haven't told us. ;)

Name: George Merrick
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles H
Mother's Name: Mary C
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Leicester Formerly St Margaret
Charles H Merrick 39
Mary C Merrick 28
George Merrick 7
Rosanna Merrick 5
Thomas C Merrick 8 months

?

She was Mary Catherine maybe? I don't see a marriage.

My grandfather was a year and *two* days out on his birthday all his life until he retired and had to get a birth cert. Thought he was born 1900, but it was 1901; thought it was the 19th, but it was the 17th.

So if he had died before he retired, his death certificate would have been just about exactly as wrong as it looks like your George's was. ;)

Being a year or two out on the year of birth is actually not terribly uncommon, when someone born back then died and the family wasn't certain, but the date is generally right or very close even if the year is wrong, as our two examples seem to show!

Have received Basford George's birth cert!
The DOB on the military records are 14/04/1892 but on the birth cert it is 13/04/1893.
Father Charles Henry Merrick and mother Kate Merrick. (nee O'Neill)
Born in Carlton Notts
Not sure why the father on the marriage cert was shown as a mechanic as according to the birth cert he was a brickies labourer.
Have found them on the 1901 and 1911 census returns although my George Henry is hiding on the 1911 return.
Going to rummage around the 1881/1871 census returns for Charles Henry although with Kate I may not be so lucky as she was born in Kilkenny
I am taking it that my George and Basford George are the one and same!
The DOB is a year and a day astray but then our ancestors did seem to be more than evasive on many things!

Heh, I'd seen that too, looking at the images -- for some reason I thought choccy had already added it. ;)

I'm not quite going to place my bet on his mother being Annie Merrick/Judd -- we shall see!

An Update!!

Just had a long read of the military records - the pensions one and it gave George's place and date of birth :o)

14 April 1892
Nottingham
He was a stoker when he listed so it looks like Basford George is my man!
Will def be orderingthe certificate
Again thank you both so much

Will do

Thank you so much

You're welcome -- poked around a bit more but nothing more to report, so bring the birth cert info on back to the thread when it comes!

Thank you so much to you both

Fingers crossed and then I will be able to add him to my tree

GRO here I come again :o)

Marina x

Not having any luck in 1891 -- what I might suggest is getting the Basford birth certificate to see what it might tell you, as it certainly does seem that he is your man, from the military records choccy provided.

Not sure about that one but it looks like a possible, although it's hard to tell what the surname really is on the image.

It also doesn't state what Annie Judd's relationship to George Sr is. George Jr is her son.

I suspect that his parents weren't married and he was registered in the father's name. The father may have been a son of that George Sr. Let's have a look at 1891 ...