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I wonder how much time was wasted, meanwhile, doing over what had been done only last month ...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1202453

pleased that turned out right

Mavis

just want to say thank you for all your help, have found Jennie - Jane Susannah. Have now added her and a lot more

Maddie

She died as Jessie?

Surely this is her death:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Jenny Kingsland
Name: Jenny Kingsland
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961
Age at death (estimated): 65
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 605

Rose

hi
guess will have to order Jane Susannah certificate.
Did notice one thing though, think Thomas Clarke Tredgold (1847) was a bit naughty, he married Susan Samson / Norris in 1891 but his children Thomas b 1888 and Martha b 1890 were before his marraige.
Thought he previously married Annie Devire in b 1840 in 1869 and that they were their kids. But she would have been 48 and 50 years old too old for childbirth.

May have found Jennies dearth certificate - Jessie Kingsland in 1978 - year of birth 03/07/1896 - still can't find the birth

Maddie

Minnie,

It has to be this one that has been mentioned before:

Births Mar 1896

Tredgold Jane Susannah Hackney 1b 558

Rose

Thomas married Susan 14 th Feb 1891,at St Peters Hackney

I agree with you Minnie, with the second name of Susannah I would have got this birth cert even if only to eliminate it !!

Mavis

its just occured to me that #Jennie might, of course, be registered in the name of her mother, if she was born either out of wedlock or before Thomas got round to marrying her mother, then used his name

When Jennie married Charles, right back at the begining, who were the witnesses?

I'd still say the birth cert for Jane is worth buying, Maybe she was known as Jennie and her real name was Jane. Is your real name Maddie?...or Madeline?
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Births Mar 1896

Tredgold Jane Susannah Hackney 1b 558
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What did she call her children? did she continue any family names I wonder?

thanks everyone
minnie u are a star
think I have solved the may / tredgold situation
you found the marraige date for my great uncle Dalby who appears to have married martha v treadgold. Been trying to trace her
Martha cannot be Jennies mother as she was born in1890 in Hackney..and is the daughter of Susan Norris / Thomas Clark Tredgold mentioned above.

However still stuck with Jennie
Have either tried before or looked at new suggstions but nothing really fits.
Maddie

1891
William Gladwin 50y West Ham
Theresa Gladwin 37y Pimlico
Henry Gladwin 12y Bromley [This is Poplar]
Daisy Gladwin 9y Bromley
Edwin Gadwin 2y West Ham

1901
William G Gladwin 58y West Ham
Theresa Gladwin 47y Pimlico
Edwin Gladwin 11y Stratford
May Gladwin 5y Croydon

1911
May Gladwin 15y scolar Croydon living in Batheaston Bath,

1901
Thomas C Tredgold [indexed as Fredgold] 54y bottle washer Southampton ------ has another ladyfriend
Elizabeth Fredgold 53y Croydon
piece 649 folio 73 page 26

1911
Martha Violet Tredgold is Violet May in Enfield

I would go for the Jane Susannah Tredgold birth so close, you know they were in Hackney 1891

Mavis

1891 England Census
Name: Martha V Tredgold
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas C
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Tottenham

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peters De Beauvoir Town
Town: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas C Tredgold 44
Susan Tredgold 37
Thomas Tredgold 3
Martha V Tredgold 1
Charles Sansom 14
Alfred Sansom 12
Lewis W Sansom 9




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 188; Folio 6; Page 5; GSU roll: 6095298.

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
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MAY Thomas W Treadgold Edmonton 3a 1063

This is the only death I can find on Ancestry for a Susan Tredgold (any spelling) between 1891 and 1905.

If this is the correct Susan then she would have been too old to give birth in 1896.......unless her estimated birth year is incorrect?

Name: Susan Threadgold
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 64
District: Bromley
County: Greater London, Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 242

Mary

You say you have tried Jane - what did the cert say> who were her parents?

ypu are probably NOT dense, but aren't helping by not telling what you know. You mention the May cousins, MMN Tredgold - What was her name? and where.............. you seem to have no idea of location for anything



Marriages Dec 1910

May Dalby M Edmonton 3a 1071
Treadgold Martha V Edmonton 3a 1071
Wilkinson Maud B Edmonton 3a 1071
Williams Philip H Edmonton 3a 1071

Births Mar 1890

Treadgold Martha Violet Edmonton 3a 389

hi minnie
tried jane but no close result
the marraige certificate clearly states jennie in body of certificte and signature
i wonder if she was illegitamate, who knows
it is very frustrating

not sure what you mean (PM) which name goes with which?

wondered if Jennie was officially Jane

thank you every one
I do have the marriage certificate and have confirmed the detals on the marraige and banns index on ancestry website.
The ThomasClarke Tredgold in 1911 census - spouse Theresa does not appear to have any daughters. Too old to have a DAUGHTER BORN C 1896.

I have tried the devire side but cannot find them in any census after their marriage. Ann Devire / Devier does appear in the 1851 and 1861 census but disappears after her marraige. I did think he may have been married twice but dates don't fit as this would have been his first marraige and Jennie appears to have been born c 1896, after his children with Susan.

I know the Treadgolds must exhist because Charlie Kingsland who married Jennie has a number of cousins - Charles c 1915, Dorothy c 1922 and Thomas c 1911 - surnme May. Their mothors name eas Treadgold but can't find a May / Treadgold wedding.
Perhaps I am just dense.
Maddie

Births Mar 1896

Tredgold Jane Susannah Hackney 1b 558

jane/jennie?????

he appears as Thomas Clarke Tredgold in 1911 with someome called

TREDGOLD THERESA F 1853 58 Croydon Surrey