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I'll leave you to your valiant search, Astra.

I can't work it out at all........

I wonder? The only thing we know for definite is that Florence's father was Charles William and she married in Hull.

BROWN, Charles William Head Married M 39 1872 Waiter In Bording House Yorkshire Beverley VIEW
BROWN, Annie Wife Married
17 years F 42 1869 Lincolnshire VIEW
BROWN, Arnold Son Single M 16 1895 Apprentice Boot Reparer Yorkshire VIEW
BROWN, Sydney Son M 14 1897 Errand Boy Yorkshire VIEW
BROWN, Elsie Daughter F 12 1899 School Yorkshire VIEW
BROWN, Florence Daughter F 10 1901 School Yorkshire VIEW
BROWN, Gladys Daughter F 6 1905 Yorkshire VIEW
BROWN, Frederick Son M 5 1906 Yorkshire VIEW

Registration District:
Beverley Sub District:
Beverley EnumerationDistrict:
9 Parish:
Beverley St Nicholas

Address:
24 Norwood Far Grove Beverley County:
Yorkshire (East riding)
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Albert Edward?

RUSSELL, Charlotte Head Widow F 46 1865 Etton Yorks VIEW
RUSSELL, Charlotte Hilda Daughter Single F 15 1896 Domestic Servant General Preston Yorks VIEW
RUSSELL, Albert Edward Son M 13 1898 Yorks Preston VIEW
RUSSELL, Doris Ivy Daughter F 10 1901 Yorks Preston VIEW
RUSSELL, Ethel Oriel Daughter F 8 1903 Yorks Preston VIEW
RUSSELL, Herbert Edgar Son M 5 1906 Yorks Preston VIEW

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Hedon EnumerationDistrict:
3 Parish:
Preston

Address:
Preston

So this will be her parents marriage. /Trying to find out when Florence died

Albert E Russell to Florence Brown
Spouse Surname: Brown
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1922
Registration district: Sculcoates
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 254

I'm wondering if it is this one

Florence Russell
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1901
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1993
Age at death (estimated): 92
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register number: A44A
District and Subdistrict: 5502A
Entry number: 18

Just received this from Kathleen

I was born 28 delhi street marfleet Hull my father was albert edward russell born 20 07 1898 at preston east yorkshire died 1977 at goole im hundred percent about the marriage lines asi personally knew the witnesses regards once again kathleen

Well, if the marriage certificate is the correct one, the father isn't the one who married the lady named Saul. That one doesn't have a second name.

The obvious need is for Kathleen to order a birth certificate specifying the father's name.

What was his occupation said to be when Florence married?

Who witnessed the event?

This is the message from Kathleen last week. She had asked previously about Charles William Brown the son of Eliza Brown but I think she was trying to piece it together and getting ahead of herself. I am hoping that she will respond to my questions on the thread but if she PM's me I will post the information here for all to see.

i am tying myself in knots here i know all about my fathers brothers and sisters its mums side that is the mystery i sent for her birth certificate which stated her mother s maiden name as Ann Saul im beginning to believe it was a wrong certificate asall connections just fizz out the marriage lines state the fathers name which is charles william brown but not the mothers name no relatives left of a certain age to check things with only surmising about Eliza as she was born in Hull were my parents were born[ outside] Preston East Yorkshire and Marfleet East Yorkshire and of course she has a son charles born 1868 also in Hull with a surname like Brown its not going to be easy

It's a re-issue which is where my doubts are founded.
I have asked Kathleen for her birth information so that we can trace it backwards from her. Hopefully she will respond.

Did Florence marry?

Is the birth certificate the original - or one obtained recently?

Kathleen has a birth certificate and it gives the mother as Sarah Ann Saul as in her message heading and Florence's date of birth as 2nd February 1902. But I am not convinced yet that it is the correct birth certificate.

The 'right' parents are in doubt as far as I can tell.

Unless Kathleen gets the birth certififcate, it's all hypothesis.

I think that is this one and not the right parents but I'm not 100% convinced that Kath has the correct birth details for her mother. I have explained how to reply on the thread so I'm hoping she will respond.

BROWN, Edward J Head Married M 36 1875 Millhand Starch Yorkshire Hull VIEW
BROWN, Louisa Wife Married
11 years F 31 1880 Yorkshire Hull VIEW
BROWN, Florence Daughter F 9 1902 Yorkshire Hull VIEW
BROWN, Clara Daughter F 6 1905 Yorkshire Hull VIEW
BROWN, Fred Son M 5 1906 Yorkshire Hull VIEW
BROWN, Herbert E Son M 3 1908 Yorkshire Hull VIEW
BROWN, Charles Son M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Yorkshire Hull VIEW

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
East Sculcoates EnumerationDistrict:
13 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
Verona Tir Waterloo St Fountain Road Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

1911 - assuming she did not have a second name

BROWN FLORENCE F 1902 9 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

Birth reg'n is JFM 1902

Just in case

1901

Name: Bessie L Brown
[Bessie L Potter]
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John L
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members: Name Age
John L Potter 70
Sarah Potter 55
Sarah Potter 32
Bessie L Brown 30
Evelyn C Holland 25
Charles W Brown 26 born in HULL - Occupation Sailor

Kathleen

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No Florence though

BROWN, Bessie Lewis Wife Married
10 years F 40 1871 Yorkshire Hull VIEW
STAMP, Mary Eleanor Servant Single F 23 1888 Yorkshire Skidley VIEW

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
West Sculcoates EnumerationDistrict:
30 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
70 Queens Road Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

I'm assuming now that Kathleen's 'marriage' is pure guesswork on her part

As she specifies a second name for CHARLES - I'm suggesting this one


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Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
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Brown Charles William Sculcoates 9d 243
POTTER Bessie Lewis Sculcoates 9d 243

The birth certificate for Florence would appear to be the sensible way to proceed

No Flick we are not.

It was a PM from Kathleen last week which I haven't been able to follow up because the information was very confused. I found the marriage but couldn't locate Florence in 1911.

WHAT previous message?

Are we wasting time doing duplicated lookups?