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Janet Finlayson 1831.Cambusbarren, Scotland

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Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Feb 2010 01:13

Janet married David Gibson 19/11/1858 @ St.Ninnians Parish Church, Stirling.Scotland. Daughter of James Finlayson and Robina Lennox. Any info on her family please, have only the parents name, nothing else.

mgnv

mgnv Report 27 Feb 2010 02:16

There's an extracted record:

Results for: James Finlayson, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Robina Lennox
Exact Spelling: Off

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 1
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. JAMES FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 06 JAN 1816 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland



Kath

Kath Report 27 Feb 2010 02:48

Hi Catherine,
Is this your family in 1871?

1871 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Gibson
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : David
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirling, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 899
Registration district: Stranraer
Civil parish: Inch
County: Wigtownshire
Address: Balgreen (east) Housing Workman's House
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 56
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_190
Household Members: Name Age
David Gibson 35
Janet Gibson 40
David Gibson 10
James Gibson 9
Gilbert Gibson 1
Robina Gibson

Regards
Kath

Kath

Kath Report 27 Feb 2010 03:32

AND 1881

1881 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Gibson
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : David
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirling, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 899
Registration district: Stranraer
Civil parish: Inch
County: Wigtownshire
Address: 41 Dalrymple St Mc Cune'S Cl
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 74
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881_335
Household Members: Name Age
David Gibson 45
Janet Gibson 47
Gilbert Gibson 11
George Gibson 8

Kath


Kath

Kath Report 27 Feb 2010 04:00

Catherine,
Nothing coming up on scotlandspeople for a Janet Finlayson to parents James Finlayson & Robina Lennox.

There is one for Janet b.1830 Saint Ninians Stirling but to parents James Finlayson & Catherine McArthur.
Same on the IGI:

JANET FINLAYSON Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 09 APR 1830 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES FINLAYSON Family
Mother: CATHERINE MCARTHUR


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


Regards
Kath

mgnv

mgnv Report 27 Feb 2010 06:52

Just had a look at a map, and Cambusbarron is just west of Stirling, in St Ninian's parish, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Haddington.

Kath

Kath Report 27 Feb 2010 08:33

Catherine,

I think this is Janet with her family in 1841, except JAMES' wife is Margaret.
Living in Cambusbarron.
Notice the ROBBINS b.1827 - (Female) I think this should be Robina/Robbina.


1841 Scotland Census
Name: Janet Finlayson
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Cambusbarron
Parish Number: 488
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Finlayson 50
Margt Finlayson 22
Elizabeth Finlayson 20
Wm Finlayson 18
James Finlayson 16
Robbins Finlayson 14
Janet Finlayson 12




Maybe someone else will be able to find another Janet born to James & Robina Lennox.

Regards
Kath

mgnv

mgnv Report 27 Feb 2010 13:16

This looks like James in 1851 & some of his kids - looks like Kath was right re Robina, but you'ld need to see original to be sure.

Piece: SCT1851/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: St. Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St. Ninians
Folio: 0 Page: 3 Schedule: 12
Address: North End, Cambusbarron
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FINLAYSON James Head W M 61 Weaver Woollen Perth - Dunblane
FINLAYSON Elizabeth Dau U F 31 Servant Stirlingshire - St. Ninians

Piece: SCT1851/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: St. Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St. Ninians
Folio: 0 Page: 28 Schedule: 127
Address: Stirling Road
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FINLAYSON James Head M M 26 Wool Spinner Stirlingshire - St. Ninians
FINLAYSON Mary A Wife - F 24 Aberdeenshire - Aberdeen
FINLAYSON James Son - M 8m Stirlingshire - St. Ninians

Piece: SCT1851/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: St. Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St. Ninians
Folio: 0 Page: 6 Schedule: 25
Address: North End, Cambusbarron
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FINLAYSON Robina Head U F 24 Weaver Stirlingshire - Cambusbarron
HOSIE Robina Dau - F 1 Stirlingshire - Cambusbarron
HOSIE Janet Dau - F 4m Stirlingshire - Cambusbarron

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Feb 2010 15:03

Do you have the marriage certificate please? Who, exactly does Janet give for her parent's names? Or did you get her parent's names from her death certificate? Remember information on death certificates is only as good as the informant's knowledge.

Haddington is in East Lothian.

The 1841 census didn't give relationships to the head of the household so that Margaret may be a daughter.




Results for: Father: James Finlayson, Mother: Catherine Mcarthur
Exact Spelling: Off

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 5

1. MARY FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUN 1839 Stirling, Stirling, Scotland

2. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 APR 1830 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland

3. JAMES FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 JUL 1842 Stirling, Stirling, Scotland

4. DUNCAN FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 FEB 1836 Stirling, Stirling, Scotland

5. PETER FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 FEB 1832 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Feb 2010 15:11

More questions!!!

What was James Finlayson's occupation on Janet's marriage certificate please/

This looks like James and Catherine McArthur in 1841.

Name: James Finlayson Jr.
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: King Street
Occupation: Slater
Parish Number: 490
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James FinlaysonJr. 35
Catherine Finlayson 35
Peter Finlayson 9
Duncan Finlayson 5
Mary Finlayson 2

Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 7; Page: 24; Line: 840; Roll ; Year: 1841.



The fact that James is listed as James Finlayson Jr., his father must still be alive.



EDIT

Who were the witnesses to the marriage please?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Feb 2010 15:24

Wonder if this is his father - this one is a slater too.

Name: James Finlayson
Age: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1766
Gender: Male
Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: King Street
Occupation: Slater
Parish Number: 490
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Finlayson 75
Agnes Finlayson 40
James Gibb 15
James Finlayson 15
Robert Finlayson 12

Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 7; Page: 24; Line: 590; Roll ; Year: 1841.


JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: CATHERINE MCARTHUR Family
Marriage: 03 MAY 1829 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland


JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: JANET TAYLOR Family
Marriage: 19 JUL 1829 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland



James Finlayson was obviously a fairly common name in that area.

You really need to tell us Janet's details from that marriage certificate.


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Feb 2010 15:41

The following (from the 1841 census that Kath posted)

Margt Finlayson 22
Elizabeth Finlayson 20
Wm Finlayson 18
James Finlayson 16
Robbins Finlayson 14

are not appearing on the IGI - so one of two things either they weren't christened in the Church of Scotland, so probably won't appear on the OPRs at Scotlandspeople as these ar mostly C of S records or the family were members of some other church. This makes me think that the Janet in this family probably wasn't christened in the Church of Scotland either.

If it was my family, I would try to find a marriage for one of the above to find out who the mother is and compare that with the mother on your Janet's marriage certificate.

Hope this makes sense and you helpers can see where I am coming from!

Aileen

Aileen Report 27 Feb 2010 19:02

I took a look at the marriage of Janet to David Gibson.....parents are given as James Finlayson (Weaver) deceased and Robina Finlayson ms Lennox

from LDS

ROBBINA LENNOX Female
Event(s):
Christening:
29 NOV 1789 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JOHN LENNOX
Mother: ELIZABETH DOWNIE

Also found a death for the Robina (Robbins) Finlayson on 1841 census confirming she was also daughter of James and Robina Finlayson ms Lennox

Aileen

Aileen Report 27 Feb 2010 19:27

Different transcription of 1841 census

FINLAYSON James M 50 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Outside Census County (1841)
FINLAYSON Margt F 22 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire
FINLAYSON Elizabeth F 20 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire
FINLAYSON Wm M 18 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire
FINLAYSON James M 16 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire
FINLAYSON Robbina F 14 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire
FINLAYSON Janet F 12 Stirlingshire

I would think Margaret is a daughter not James' wife as suggested by Kath

Aileen

Aileen Report 27 Feb 2010 19:48

I have so far been unable to find deaths for James and Robina

it looks as though James dies between 1851-1855 and Robina sometime before 1841

Kath

Kath Report 27 Feb 2010 21:16

Hi Aileen,
Sorry, you are correct about Margaret most likely being James's daughter rather than his wife. For some reason I didn't look at Margaret's age or I would have realised.
I'm sorry if I have misled you all. My mistake.

Kind Regards
Kath

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Feb 2010 08:47

Kath, I don't think you really misled anyone. It is difficult without all the details to begin with!

Aileen - well done for getting the details from the marriage certificate - that really helps to sort out those two families. If those details had been posted right at the start it would have made it a bit easier. The difficulty is though, the poster is sitting with the details in front of them and may not realise what is needed to help them find the correct family.

So, it looks more likely that James and his wife came from Perthshire.

Thanks again for the info., Aileen.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Feb 2010 08:56

JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ROBINA LENNOX Family
Marriage: 06 JAN 1816 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland


Possible birth for James??

JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 09 MAY 1790 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland


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Parents:
Father: MATTHEW FINLAYSON Family
Mother: HELEN WYLLIE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


You need to look at the actual image on Scotlandspeople for James and Robina's marriage - it may just father's names and/or occupations.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Feb 2010 09:04

Results for: Perth, Scotland, British Isles
Father: Matthew Finlayson, Mother: Helen Wyllie
Exact Spelling: Off

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3

1. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 22 OCT 1792

2. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 OCT 1792 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland

3. JAMES FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 MAY 1790 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland


Possible marriage??
MATHEW FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male Family


Marriages:
Spouse: HELEN WYLIE Family
Marriage: 09 DEC 1786 Low Paisley, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland



If you a search on the IGI for children using the above parents names - it looks like some children born Paisley, some Balfron, Stirlingshire and some Perthdshire all about the possible years for this couple to produce children. I am not necessarily saying that they are all your family!


Catherine

Catherine Report 1 Mar 2010 02:21

Kath,mgnv,rootgatherer,Aileen,
I have not yet purchased certificates from back home, bit frightened of the system, but will do so now.I have been getting use to the ones in Australia so far.
I do not have but will now buy David Gibson and Janet Finlayson's marriage certificate from Scotlands People as you have suggested, then her parents as well.
Kath, it is indeed the family in the 1871 and 1888 census. I have only just started using this in the library and glad you showed me they, the census, are useful tools.
'mgnv, just googled the UK maps and indeed Haddington is east of Edinburgh back home,obviously got this bit wrong!
rootsgatherer, will do as you suggest re certificates.
Aileen, thanks for your helpful suggestions also.
This information and time spent gathering it for a complete stranger is very much appreciated. . kindest regards, Catherine.