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Please could someone advise as to how I can find which institution James Foran was in when the 1871 census was taken, the census states-
1871-Name James Foran Age 8 Estimated Year of Birth 1863 Relationship to Head of Household Scholar Occupation Scholar Address -- District West Derby, Toxteth Park Parish Administrative County Lancashire Birth Place -- Birth County Ireland

The page he is on is just the 'F' surname so it must be a huge place but no address or name, how can I find out what it was? Any help gratefully received.

Lorna...It was possibly West Derby Union Workhouse...you should have a "Sub Set" listed on the upper right hand side of the Census Page just keep clicking back on that it should take you to "First Entry" ....as an alternative ..Put in search for Christopher Trotter b.Durham...He was the Master there in 1871....

Thanks, I will try that now- from the help I got yesterday I have found that the family links back to this boy who must have come from Ireland somewhere between 1863-71 but he appears to be the only 'scholar' Foran on th elist so no siblings/clues as to the rest of his family!

Hi Lorna
The image says
James Feran (not Foran )aged 8 yrs bn Ireland ,he is at the
Liverpool industrial school, I counted 97 students
Sue

Hi Susan, Thanks for that, I shall check that out too, the spelling could then have changed as he grew up as i have followed everything back to him, he also states his birth place as london on later census forms. I am not very good at reading the original transcrpits to see if there are errors! All help very much appreciated.

Could not find your James on 1871 - can you give the reference please or tell me if his name was spelt differently on the census?

Interestingly, whilst looking, I did come accross these 2 girls in Liverpool Industrial School.

It looks as though they listed females seperately to boys so if you find that James is also in the Industrial Scool, they may be related?

1871 England Census
about Letetia Foran
Name: Letetia Foran
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park

ED, institution, or vessel: Liverpool Industrial Schools ****

Julia Foran 14 b Liverpool
Letetia Foran 7 b Manchester.

+ hundreds of others !!!!!!!!

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3829; Folio: 73; Page: 36; GSU roll: 841918.



Dea x

Hi Dea,

Ref I think is RG10/3829 pg12

Thanks for looking for me.

Hi Lorna,

Yes, I have just found it, thanks to Sue's information.

It is transcribed as Feran but I checked the actual image and it certainly looks like Foran to me.

Dea x

Hi, Where can I browse the 1871 census as I only seem to find results on here which doesn't allow page turns etc.

Lorna...Cant help you with the 1871 Census but how have you made the connection from yesterdays info.to James in West Derby...???

Lorna

Once you get the original image up ,if you look at the top right hand corner there are arrows to go back or forward just click which way you want to go and the next image in the set will come up .
If that is what you ment.
Sue

Ps there are 100s and 100s of children with lots of staff on page one of the images.

Hi Susan,

I may be wrong but I suspect that Lorna is viewing the census's the 'expensive way', i.e. through GR site.

I don't think this allows for looking at next/previous page.

Dea x

Hi Erin, Apologies I was having coffee!! The basics are-

Ellen Foran m Joseph Sutcliffe 1916

Ellen Parents- Mary & JAMES FORAN Both Born c1862

Obviously lots of children and census info inbetween, again James is a common name but this would tie in with family tales and dates etc.

Dea/Susan,

Yes I am looking on here at the census, I don't know where else is best to look???

Lorna

If you use Ancestry instead you would be able to veiw the way I explained in my previous post and it is cheaper.
By the way my late mothers name was Lorna (lovely name)

Are you trying to find James's Parents.
Sue

If Julia is related to James - this 'could' be her on 1861?

1861 England Census
about Julia Foran
Name: Julia Foran
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Catharine
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
William Foran 37 Dock Labr. b Ireland
Catharine Foran 30 b Ireland
Mary Ann Foran 10 b Liverpool
Patrick Foran 8 "
Julia Foran 3 "
Julia Malloy 50 b Ireland. wid. Think image says 'Mallory' ??
John Malloy 27 b Ireland.

at 19 Court, Carlton?? St.

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2657; Folio: 27; Page: 3; GSU roll: 543007.

Dea x

Possible deaths for parents?

Deaths Sep 1866
FORAN William 42 Liverpool 8b 101

Deaths Sep 1865
Foran Catherine Liverpool 8B 90

Dea x

Hi Dea,

I think i will have to join ancestry then, sounds alot more detailed. I would like to trace the journey from Ireland to the UK as James was my Mother in Laws Great Grandfather she is interested to find out the area they were from. From what I have seen alot of Irish Forans headed to Liverpool and America. If I can locate passenger lists then I may be able to see who he travelled with.

Another thought is in the Institution that he was in in 1871 would there be admission records do we know?

How confusing- which avenue to explore first.

Thanks for all your time and hard work it is very much appreciated, also any other trains of thought that I can explore would be useful too!

Ah I see!

So IF Julia was a sibling then the chances are there was a mistake with James' birth place, it could hav ebeen his parents were born in Ireland he may have been born in Liverpool, but Julia could just be a Cousin or other relative but worth a look......

Just found this James do you think he is the one i'm after?????

FORAN James Liverpool 8b 274 March Q 1862