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Hi Dea,

Dentist went as well as can be expected! Had the nerve removed, got the taste of cloves in my mouth now until next week when I get root filled or something like that. I couldn't get out of there quick enough so wasn't really listening!!

Oh how I love the dentist.....

Owww's your toothache Lorna (tee hee) ?

I hope he didn't pull them all out?

I thought I had toothache a few weeks ago but it turned out to be trigeminal neuralgia - If you know about this you really know what 'agonising' pain is !!

Hope you have it sorted!

Dea x

Yes that would be him, I looked for that with the different spelling aswell but couldn't find that one. I had found the marriage but wasn't certain but that absolutely must be him, so they travelled from Ireland to London/South Coast by the looks of it then headed to Manchester. I can't believe I missed it!

Well done Dea that has answered who his parents are and gives more siblings etc.

Now i need to find where in Ireland the parents came from!!

Oh well I am offt o the Dentist, got agonising tooth ache.

Thank you very much Ladies for all the detective work. It is very much appreciated.

Lorna x

Out of curiosity I had a look at your previous thread regarding James.

I am not sure why we are looking at this one in the Institution - Isn't this 'your' James on 1871: ??

1871 England Census
about James Foren
Name: James Foren
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Eugene
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Eugene Foren 36 Tailor, b Ireland
Mary Ann Foren 37 b Ireland
**James Foren 10 b London
Margaret Ann Foren 7 b Manchester
Eugene Foren 1 b Manchester
Winifred Colling 40
Ellen Smith 38

at 66 Pump Street

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4047; Folio: 123; Page: 8; GSU roll: 846337.

....................

His marriage:

James Foran m Mary Johnson
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 413
..............................

You had already established that this was him on 1891, I think?

1891 England Census
about James Foran
Name: James Foran
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Foran 30 Tailor, b London
Mary Foran 30
Mary A Foran 9
James Foran 8
Margtury Foran 6
Owen Foran 3
James Foran 1

9, Upper Lewis St.

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3242; Folio 100; Page 25; GSU roll: 6098352.

As he was a Tailor, like his father, and born in London on both census, it seems likely that this is the same James.

Dea x

Good Morning Erin & Dea,

Firstly Dea that death looks right so that rules the birth out ,it was questionable. Leads me back to think the Irish birth place must be right.

Erin, James Foran aged 8 appears in an institute in Liverpool Stated as Born Ireland, assuming they are correct about his birth place, therefore he must have arrived at some point before 1871 census was taken. Would a child travel alone or would he be with relatives/parents? There are not many James Foran's on census for when he was adult. This has lead back to Manchester so can only assume he arrived in Liverpool docks then found family in Manchester as there were a number of Foran families there.

I'm not sure where to look next for any more info. I think i'm confusing myself now!!

Lorna...Still cannot make the connection from Manchester to 'Pool......and am getting confused with the ref to Passenger Lists...and "who he travelled with"(Sun. 12.27).

Not too convinced about that Liverpool birth, there could be a death for him aged 3 ??

Births Mar 1862
FORAN James Liverpool 8b 274


Deaths Mar 1866
Foran James 3 Liverpool 8b 221

Dea x

Erin,
Looks good !!

Dea x

Me..its the "Old Firm" Derby....Tell him to watch that instead...

Hi Erin,

William & Catherine look to be promising now- OH is watching the Spurs match not quite half time here!! Ties in with date James would appear in institution.

Lorna...Its half time (Football) so thought I'd catch up with where you are...

Re: William and Catherine Foran..
There were only a couple of "Irish Born" Foran's on the 1851 census..
Wm.(Dock Lab) and Catherine ....
Folio no.783A Piece 2177/4
Thomas Foran...Man servant.
Folio 308A Piece 2191/2

Just found this James do you think he is the one i'm after?????

FORAN James Liverpool 8b 274 March Q 1862

Ah I see!

So IF Julia was a sibling then the chances are there was a mistake with James' birth place, it could hav ebeen his parents were born in Ireland he may have been born in Liverpool, but Julia could just be a Cousin or other relative but worth a look......

Hi Dea,

I think i will have to join ancestry then, sounds alot more detailed. I would like to trace the journey from Ireland to the UK as James was my Mother in Laws Great Grandfather she is interested to find out the area they were from. From what I have seen alot of Irish Forans headed to Liverpool and America. If I can locate passenger lists then I may be able to see who he travelled with.

Another thought is in the Institution that he was in in 1871 would there be admission records do we know?

How confusing- which avenue to explore first.

Thanks for all your time and hard work it is very much appreciated, also any other trains of thought that I can explore would be useful too!

Possible deaths for parents?

Deaths Sep 1866
FORAN William 42 Liverpool 8b 101

Deaths Sep 1865
Foran Catherine Liverpool 8B 90

Dea x

If Julia is related to James - this 'could' be her on 1861?

1861 England Census
about Julia Foran
Name: Julia Foran
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Catharine
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
William Foran 37 Dock Labr. b Ireland
Catharine Foran 30 b Ireland
Mary Ann Foran 10 b Liverpool
Patrick Foran 8 "
Julia Foran 3 "
Julia Malloy 50 b Ireland. wid. Think image says 'Mallory' ??
John Malloy 27 b Ireland.

at 19 Court, Carlton?? St.

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2657; Folio: 27; Page: 3; GSU roll: 543007.

Dea x

Lorna

If you use Ancestry instead you would be able to veiw the way I explained in my previous post and it is cheaper.
By the way my late mothers name was Lorna (lovely name)

Are you trying to find James's Parents.
Sue

Dea/Susan,

Yes I am looking on here at the census, I don't know where else is best to look???

Hi Erin, Apologies I was having coffee!! The basics are-

Ellen Foran m Joseph Sutcliffe 1916

Ellen Parents- Mary & JAMES FORAN Both Born c1862

Obviously lots of children and census info inbetween, again James is a common name but this would tie in with family tales and dates etc.

Hi Susan,

I may be wrong but I suspect that Lorna is viewing the census's the 'expensive way', i.e. through GR site.

I don't think this allows for looking at next/previous page.

Dea x