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Danny Hurcombe was a riugby player who played for England in the 1920's. I am looking for his date, place of birth and name of parents. Father's name is possibley Frederick, but no leads so far. Grateful for any help. Lorna

born where?

have you checked FreeBMD?

http://www.wiganwarriors.com/SquadMember.asp?teamid=5&id=154

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Daniel Hurcombe
Name: Daniel Hurcombe
Death Registration Month/Year: 1965
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 892

1901 Wales Census
about Daniel Hurcomb
Name: Daniel Hurcomb
Age in 1901: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abersychan
Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan St Thomas
Town: Talywain
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 227
Household Members: Name Age
John Allen 36
Julia Allen 33
George Price 16
Edward Hurcomb 8
Daniel Hurcomb 6
James H Hurcomb 2


Maybe Julia was an aunt

Thanks,this looks like a good lead

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Daniel Hurcombe
Name: Daniel Hurcombe
Birth Date: abt 1896
Age: 24
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 16 Oct 1920
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne, Adelaide, Fremantle, Colombo, Bombay, Aden, Port Said, Marseilles, Gibraltar, Plymouth
Ship Name: Narkunda
Search Ship Database: View the 'Narkunda' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 142496

He's a joiner, born Wales.

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about D Hurcomb
Name: D Hurcomb
[Daniel Hurcomb]
Regiment or Corps: Royal Field Artillery, Royal Field Artillery
Regimental Number: 749, L/40332

Can only find one marriage of John Allen to a Julia, she is Julia O'Hern.

so is Daniel possibly

Births Dec 1894
O'Hearne Daniel Pontypool 11a 161

looks like she had a sister

Births Mar 1866
O'HERN Julia Holywell 11b 287

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Births Jun 1868
O'HERN Margaret Holywell 11b 312

Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
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O'HEARN James Henry Pontypool 11a 167



And this birth may be a match for the 1901 census 'James'

I think your best move is to get the birth certificate for Daniel....Minnie posted it for you

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This is an interesting one from 1911:

O HEARN, Michael Head M M 49 1862 Waggoner Hay Dealer Abernychan Mon VIEW
O HEARN, Marrey Wife M
3 years F 50 1861 Abernychan Mon VIEW
HERCOMBE, Dann Stepson S M 16 1895 Coal Miner Hewer Asst Abernychan Mon VIEW
BOWER, Dann John Stepson S M 17 1894 Coal Miner Hewer Asst Abernychan Mon VIEW
HERCOMBE, James Stepson M 13 1898 Coal Miner Hewer Asst Abernychan Mon VIEW
BOWER, Kate Stepdaughter S F 20 1891 Abernychan Mon VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
31913 Reference:
RG14PN31913 RG78PN1836 RD586 SD2 ED18 SN353

Registration District:
Pontypool Sub District:
Pontypool EnumerationDistrict:
18 Parish:
Abersychan

Address:
Fifteen Houses County:
Monmouthshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Michael O'Hearn
Name: Michael O'Hearn
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 304 (click to see others on page)

Spouse Mary Ann Bowen

Am I up the creek do you think?

No sign of Edward Hurcomb/O'Herne age 8 in 1901.

1901 Wales Census
about Kate Bowen
Name: Kate Bowen
Age in 1901: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abersychan
Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan St Thomas
Town: Abersychan
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Bowen 47 Wid
Kate Bowen 10
John Bowen 7

Nice find MM of the 1911....what a mix up this is!!

Leading on from your last 1901 census post, this looks like Mary Ann. Thank god Catherine (Kate) had the good grace to be born before the 1891!


1891 Wales Census
about Mary Ann Bowen
Name: Mary Ann Bowen
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Abersychan
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Bowen 35 <Widow
Geo Bowen 15
Amy Bowen 10
Sarah J Bowen 8
William Bowen 6
Margt L Bowen 3
Catherine Bowen 4/12


And living right next door to Mary Ann is

Margaret O'Hearn 63 (mom)
Michael 30 (son)<<<<<Mary Ann's husband to be I wonder?

Hmmmmmm

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I'm a bit slow today, I'll have to recap.

Mary Ann somebody bc 1860 had several children up to 1891, when she is a widow, youngest child Kate/Catherine 4 months. In 1901, she is still a widow but has acquired a son John in 1894, possibly the child of Michael O'Hearn who is living next door (mistranscribed as Hearn - I've notified Ancestry), and whom she marries in 1903. In 1911, the said children John Bowen and Kate are with her and Michael, described as his step-children, but there are 2 more step-children Dann Hercombe age 16 and James Hercombe age 13.

In 1901, Daniel Hurcombe and James H(enry) Hurcombe are living with their uncle and aunt, John Allen and Julia (nee or previously married to a O'Hern). But we discover they are not Hercombes at all but O'Hernes. There is another Hercombe nephew with the family, Edward age 8, but I haven't found a birth for him in any surname. There is also George Price, nephew, age 16. The only George Price I've found is son of William and Susan in 1891.

I doesn't seem likely that Daniel and James are in fact step-children of Michael O'Hearn or his wife Mary Ann, but nephews.

1871 Wales Census
about Julia O Herne
Name: Julia O Herne
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Michael
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Michael O Herne 45
Margaret O Herne 44
Johannah O Herne 15
Michael O Herne 12
Julia O Herne 7
Hannah Walli 19 (dau)
Catherine Walli 1 (g-dau)

All except Julia and Catherine born Ireland, so likely not on 1861 census.

There are other O'Hearns in Pontypool who could be the parents of Daniel and James.

So the only way to solve the mystery of whose children they are, in particular Daniel, is to get the birth certificate(s).

I'm even slower, cos of course we still don't know where the name Hurcombe comes from.

Hi is this an unusuable surname? If so try the Wigan Lancashire telephone directory, as I know of a family by the same surname who lived close by about 10 years ago. Its a long shot but worth a try. regards Eileen

Yep, I think you're right MM about getting the birth cert of Daniel, no doubt it will give us more to contend with!

Ginny
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http://www.wiganwarriorscommunityfoundation.com/SquadMember.asp?teamid=5&id=154

From the website:

Danny Hurcombe, who could play half-back or centre, was one of the earliest signings made by Wigan after the First World War, arriving in November 1919 from Talywain Rugby Union Club.

EDIT BY ME - Talywain Rubgy Club is in Pontypool.

Seems likely this is the Danny (Hurcombe/O'Herne) we have been chasing on this thread.

Lorna feels his father was Frederick Hurcombe of Uley, Gloucestershire. Son of Azariah Hurcombe. I have accounted for this Fred from birth in 1852-3 to 1911, apart from in 1871 when he may have been a boarder (doubtful it is him) in Glamorgan, supposedly born Chepstow. He marries Elizabeth Lee and they have only one child Frederick William. There is nothing to suggest he was the father of Danny Hurcombe/O'Herne - but nothing that says he wasn't. He was a dockyard rigger, so may have travelled to Wales at times for work.

Thanks for the info Eileen. I picked a death of Danny in Wigan in 1965 cos that's where his first club was, it may or may not be him. I'll leave it to Lorna to make any contact via telephone.

I wish I could find how Hercombes are connected to the Allen/O'Herne/Bowen/Price/Morgan families.