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UNABLE TO FIND ANY MORE DETAILS WITH REGARD TO 'DAVID FRIEND COPLEY' (AFN:23N7-8V2) BORN 1854?, AND HIS WIFE 'ISOBELLA SOPHIA HILL' (AFN;23N7-8W8) BORN 1864? IS IT POSSIBLE TO SURPLY BIRTH, MARRIAGE AND DEATH DETAILS, i.e. DATES, PLACES AND REG NUMBERS. IF YOU CAN HELP IT WOULD BE WLL APPRECIATED, ANY MANY THANKS.
P.S. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE AFN'S MEAN?

Have you tried searching on FreeBMD?

Any particular area of the country?

DID NOT SEEM TO GET ANYWHERE.

Do you know a rough area?

Could this be your Isabella on the 1881?

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William F. COPELAND Head M Male 47 Peckham, Surrey, England Accountant
Sarah COPELAND Wife M Female 53 Langdon Hills, Essex, England
Hobart F. COPELAND Son U Male 20 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Unemployed
Reginald L. COPELAND Son U Male 18 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Warehouseman Assistant
Ada M. E. COPELAND Daur U Female 12 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Scholar
Isabella S. HILLS Niece U Female 18 Langdon Hills, Essex, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 9 St Germains Rd
Census Place Lewisham, Kent, England
Family History Library Film 1341172
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0739 / 48
Page Number 34

The AFN details are from Ancestral File on Family search, but the only details I see on there give David Friend Copley's death as 1854.

How have you traced back to this family?

Christine

HIS NAME WAS GIVEN BY 'GR' AS FATHER OF ADA COPLEY BORN 1886 WANDSWORTH LONDON, WITH ISOBELLA SOPHIA HILL AS MOTHER.

I don't understand what you mean by "his name was given by GR"

Do you have Ada's birth cert and have you found the family on the census?

Christine

GR MEAMS GENES REUNITED. THE NAME WAS DEFINITELY GIVEN AS DAVID, BUT NEAVER MIND, THATS MAYBE WHY I COULD NOT FIND ANY THING. THNKS

WE GOT THERE IN THE END, THANKS.

Is this relevant? Getting myself in a knot here!

Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
Bishop Ann Eliza Kensington 1a 80
Copley Daniel Kensington 1a 80
HILL Isabella Kensington 1a 80
Sims Alfred Kensington 1a 80

I realised that GR was Genes Reunited but didn't understand what you meant by saying that the names were given by GR..

Do you have any certificates to connect back to Ada Copley?

Christine

This has to be the familysearch record that bearcub is referring to



Individual Record FamilySearch™ Ancestral File v4.19


Isobella Sophia HILL (AFN: 23N7-8W8) Pedigree
Sex: F Family


Event(s)
Birth: Abt. 1864


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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: David Friend COPLEY (AFN: 23N7-8V2) Family
Marriage:

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Submitter(s) Details

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About Ancestral File
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Please Note
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Probably completely unverified information, submitted by an individual, who is/was probably a church member.





bearcub

....... did you have a previous thread on the family?


Is that thread still in existence or have you deleted it?



I'm just wondering what other information mught have been posted on that thread.





I'm also wondering if you realise that no information is provided by GR ..................... the information given on these threads and boards is ALL found and posted by individual members of GR, we call ourselves helpers.

We all have experience in researching our families, and like to help other people. We do that using our memberships in other sites, and using our expertise in attempting to sort through information.


However, we none of us claim to be infallible, and for that reason I maintain that all information provided by any helper should be double-checked.


It seems that whoever found the information above for you did not tell you that one has to be very very careful of information found on www.familysearch.org if it does not come from a known source, such as parish registers, and if it does not say that there is backing documentation.




sylvia

ANOTHER record from www.familysearch.org

Also SUBMITTED


BUT as someone found earlier (now seemingly deleted) ... the hsuband is DANIEL not David, thus proving that one or other of these records is wrong!



Isobella Sophia Hill Pedigree
Female Family

Event(s):
Birth: 1841 Yeovil, Somerset, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: Daniel Friend Copley Family
Marriage: JUN 1860 Kensington, London, England

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.




sylvia

and here is the familysearch record allegedly showing Ada Copley and parents


Ada COPLEY (AFN: 23N7-7NM) Pedigree
Sex: F Family

Event(s)
Birth: 19 May 1886
Balham, Wandsworth, London, England
Death: 28 Aug 1969
Brixton Hill, Brixton, , England

Parents
Father: David Friend COPLEY (AFN: 23N7-8V2) Family
Mother: Isobella Sophia HILL (AFN: 23N7-8W8)

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Arthur Henry COOKE (AFN: 23N7-7MF) Family
Marriage: 26 Aug 1906
, Wandsworth, London, England

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Submitter(s) Details

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About Ancestral File
Ancestral File is a collection of genealogical information taken from Pedigree Charts and Family Group Records submitted to the Family History Department since 1978. The information has not been verified against any official records. Since the information in Ancestral File is contributed, it is the responsibility of those who use the file to verify its accuracy.

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Please Note
Names and address of submitters to Ancestral File and those who have a research interest are provided to help in the coordination of research. The use of this information for any other purpose, including commercial use, is strictly prohibited.




sylvia

and here is the true record of Ada's baptism, from the actual register in London


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Ada Copley
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Jul 1886
Father's Name: Daniel Copley
Mother's Name: Isabella Copley
Parish: Ascension, Balham Hill
Borough: Wandsworth
County: Middlesex


from image:-

Address:- 1 Kenilford Crescent
Father's occupation:- Carpenter




???? Ada and her parents in 1891????


1891 Census

Name: Daniel Friend Copley
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England

Civil parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Ascension
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Streatham

Daniel Friend Copley 57 Carpenter
Isabella Copley 50
Lucy Jane Copley 25
Daniel Francis Copley 12
Joe Copley 10
Harry Copley 8
Harriet Copley 6
Ada Copley 4

Address:- 1 Kenilford Road


sylvia

There's this baptism of Ada on Ancestry:

Name: Ada Copley
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Jul 1886
Father's Name: Daniel Copley
Mother's Name: Isabella Copley
Parish: Ascension, Balham Hill
Borough: Wandsworth
County: Middlesex

And 3 marriages of Daniel Friend Copley:

Record


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Name: Daniel Friend Copley
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Powell
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Oct 1859
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John Copley
Spouse Father Name: Richard Powell

Name: Daniel Friend Copley
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Spouse Name: Emily Ludlow
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Sep 1884
Parish: St Nicholas, Tooting Graveney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Daniel Friend Copley
Spouse Father Name: John Ludlow

Name: Daniel Friend Copley
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Jessie Tryphena Eliza Darby
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Apr 1904
Parish: Ascension, Balham Hill
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Daniel Friend Copley
Spouse Father Name: James Darby

Well well


There are TWO Daniel Friend Copleys born in Kent

One in 1836 who seemingly married a Mary Ann ...... and was a Carpenter or Carpenter and Joiner


and one in 1840 who married Isabella ....... and was a Carpenter



which one was born in Dartford and which one was born in Gravesend ......... seems to differ from census to census!!



I can find the marriage to Mary Ann .......... but not the marriage to Isabella.





could defintiely be a bit of a problem sorting it all out!!




sylvia

I wondered if Lucy Jane was the daughte rof Daniel and Isabella, or an earlier wife ......... but seemingly she was their child


She was apparently baptized as an adult ........... there is an A in the margin of the page next to her name


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Lucy Jane Copley
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 7 Apr 1883
Father's Name: Daniel Copley
Mother's Name: Isabella Copley
Parish: St Mary, Balham
Borough: Wandsworth
County: Middlesex


from image:-

Address:- 1 Kenilford Road
Father's occupation:- Carpenter



sylvia

Trevor has had previous posts re his copley family- some now deleted. Trevor, you really need to look through and accurately record info that is given you- this will save unpaid GR members repeating the same research.