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Hi, I'm trying to trace the family of Joseph Aspey born in Orrell near Wigan in 1842. From Joseph's marriage certificate his father was a William Aspey a collier and a quick search on familysearch.org gave me his mother's name as Elizabeth. I found a marriage record for William and Elizabeth on lan-opc i.e:

Marriage: 3 Jan 1842 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Aspby - (X), 26 Collier Bachelor of Orrell
Elizabeth Gore - (X), 23 Spinster of Orrell
Groom's Father: Joseph Aspby, Collier
Bride's Father: Robert Gore, Collier
Witness: Alexander Jardan; Sarah Aspby, (X)
Married by Banns by: Henry B.Jones
Register: Marriages 1840 - 1842, Page 202, Entry 404
Source: LDS Film 1885694

So William (Aspby not Aspey) and Elizabeth married on 03/01/1842 in Wigan. Afterwards I sent off for Joseph's birth Cert and it basically read Joseph Aspey born 06/01/1842 in Orrell, parents William Aspey and Elizabeth Goone(?). However back to the Marriage of William if you notice one of the witnesses is a Sarah Aspby, and a Sarah Aspey was born in Orrell in 1817 daughter of Joseph Aspey, a collier and Mary. I'm assuming that William and Sarah were siblings. However I tried to trace the family in the 1851 census and found Joseph aged 9 living with Sarah, who's listed as his Mother and Mary Aspey born c1794 in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. In addition to all of this, Elizabeth Gore is completely missing from all records as is Robert Gore.

I'm sorry it's such a long post, but I can't quite get my head round it all.

Thank you very much in advance,

John

1881
John BARTLEY Head M Male 29 Wales Coal Miner
Ellen BARTLEY Wife M Female 20 Wales
Robert BARTLEY Son U Male 10 m Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
Joseph ASPY Lodger W Male 36 Orrell, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Stephen DUCKAR Lodger U Male 32 Wales Coal Miner


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Source Information:
Dwelling 1 Green Bank St
Census Place Tyldesley Cum Shakerley, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341911
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3811 / 79
Page Number 11

1881
Joseph ASPEY Head W Male 62 Orrell, Lancashire, England Coal Miner Unempl.
John ASPEY Son U Male 21 Ince, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Henry ASPEY Son U Male 17 Ince, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Margaret ASPEY Daur U Female 13 Ince, Lancashire, England Scavinger In Cotton Mill


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Source Information:
Dwelling 14 Smithy Green Off Ince Green Lane
Census Place Ince In Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341903
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3776 / 68
Page Number 30

William Aspey Compact Disc #130 Pin #3390384 Pedigree
Sex: M

Event(s)
Birth: abt 1824

Orrell, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Death: abt 1843
Parents
Father: Peter Aspey Disc #130 Pin #3389762
Mother: Mary Miller Disc #130 Pin #3389763

1881

Robert ASPEY Head M Male 27 Shevington, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Elizabeth ASPEY Wife M Female 24 Orrell, Lancashire, England
Peter ASPEY Son Male 4 Orrell, Lancashire, England
Thomas ASPEY Son Male 2 Orrell, Lancashire, England
William FISHWICK Boarder U Male 22 Orrell, Lancashire, England Coal Miner


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Source Information:
Dwelling Kit Green
Census Place Orrell, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341904
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3781 / 70
Page Number 26

1881

Mary ASPEY Head W Female 86 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England Alms Woman
Sarah ASPEY Daur U Female 61 Orrel, Lancashire, England Alms Woman


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Source Information:
Dwelling Warrington Rd
Census Place Whiston, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341892
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3728 / 73
Page Number 36

William Aspey
Birth 1815
Death
Parents & Siblings
Joseph Aspey (1785-)
No Mother
Spouse & Children
Elizabeth Gore (1818-)
Joseph Aspey (1842-1876)
.Timeline1815
Birth
1842
3 JanAge: 27
Marriage to Elizabeth Gore
All Saints
Wigan,
Lancs
..Family Members
Parents Joseph Aspey –
No Mother Show siblings Hide siblings
Spouse & Children
Elizabeth Gore 1818 –
Joseph Aspey 1842 – 1876

Thanks for all your replies!! I wasn't expecting so many so soon. I should point out that I think that Joseph Aspey jr may and only may have been dead by 1881if this is his family:

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Margaret ASKEY Head W Female 34 Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Mary ASKEY Daur U Female 17 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Mule Spinner (Cotton Mill)
Ellen ASKEY Daur Female 14 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Mule Spinner (Cotton Mill)
Elizabeth ASKEY Daur Female 12 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Mule Spinner (Cotton Mill)
Sarah ASKEY Daur Female 9 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Scholar
William ASKEY Son Male 7 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Jane ASKEY Daur Female 6 Pemberton, Lancashire, England Scholar
Joseph ASKEY Son Male 4 Pemberton, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 64 Marsh Green
Census Place Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341904
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3780 / 116
Page Number 25

All the names are right, But it's Askey and not Aspey

Hi Ann + Starr,

Thank you for all your help! I'd love to know which website you got that info from Starr, really very intresting!! I know there's a fairly large Aspey family in the Wigan/Standish/Orrell area which I can't tag my Aspeys on to.
If I can just say Ann I've never seen a Robert Aspey before and it's very interesting indeed, there was a James Aspey born Shevington around 1843-1846, parents William and Elizabeth so maybe... I can't thank you enough

Elizabeth Gore in 1841?

Father Robert is a Coal Miner

Name: Betty Gore
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Standish
Hundred: Leyland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gore 50
Ann Gore 50
Betty Gore 20
William Gore 15
John Gore 13
Robert Gore 8
James Gore 4

EDIT I see what you mean about no other records. Nothing for them on Lancs opc. I searched on one of the other children and came up with this curious record:

Marriage: 31 May 1858 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
James Gore - (X), 22 Collier Bachelor of Kitt Green, Orrell
Elizabeth Bankes - (X), 18 Check weaver Spinster of Kitt Green, Orrell
Groom's Father: Robert Parkinson, Collier
Bride's Father: James Hargreaves, Laborer at Colliery
Witness: William Fishwick, (X); Elizabeth Fishwick, (X)
Married by Banns by: T.L.J. Warneford, Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1859, Page 235, Entry 470
Source: LDS Film 1885637

Why would his father be called Parkinson?

Oh and a William Fishwick (witness) appears with the Aspey's in Kitt Green 1881 as posted by AoGG

Something for the night workers to chew on!

Julie

Hi Julie, I haven't a clue why Robert's father is listed as Parkinson, very strange... Thanks for sending the census record, that looks like the right family. I've just done a search in Ancestry and in the 1851 census they're listed as Goor, somewhere in Lancashire...

john
my info is from a tree on ancestry
but ive just been checking my dads brother married a emily asprey from liverpool her fathere was a george and we have a julian asprey but mightnot be same there is a few aspreys on facebook have a look in there i found relatives i didnt know about
jean

Hi John

Had a look at the 1851 census for Joseph Aspey. It doesn't actually say that Sarah is his mother. It says Mary Aspey is the Head, Sarah is her unmarried daughter and Joseph is her grandson. So Sarah could well be William's sister/Joseph's aunt. His parents William and Elizabeth presumably elsewhere.

Also, for Mary's place of birth it just says 'British Subject'. Can't see where Newcastle on Tyne comes into it.

EDIT The transcriber has given Sarah the relationship of 'mother' but that isn't what is on the image-it's a question of interpretation.

Julie

Mary and Sarah in 1841?

Ages were rounded so won't correspond to their birth year.

No sign of Joseph senior and as it doesn't give married status we don't know if Mary is a widow or not.

Name: Sarah Aspey
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Aspey 45
Sarah Aspey 20

Address: Latham Lane Pemberton

Can't find William 1841
Cant find William & Elizabeth 1851
Can't find any of them 1861!

Julie

Hi Jean + Julie,

I know what you mean about Facebook Jean, I've found 3 or 4 on there myself! I'm not an expert by any means on surnames but I'd think that Aspey and Asprey are different spellings of the same name.

Thanks for those census records Julie they've helped loads, at least it clears up Sarah's relationship. I've tried myself to find William and Elizabeth with no success at all. I did have though William as being killed in a pit accident in 1861 at one time but it seems it was another William.
I'm beginning to think that William and possibly Elizabeth both died soon after marrying but it's just a thought.

Hi John

Can you post all the info from Joseph jnr's marriage certificate. Who did he marry, where & when? Who were the witnesses,brides father, was William noted as deceased etc?

Do you have Joseph jnr in 1871?

Do you know names of children?

Any further facts you can give might help in the search for his family.

Julie

Hi Julie,

I do have Joseph jnr's marriage certificate and this is what it says:

Joseph Aspey married Margaret Ascroft 31/5/1863 in St. Wilfred's in Standish, the parents were William Aspey and John Ascroft and the witnesses were Richard Barker (Margaret's brother-in-law) and Edward Bailey. Neither parent are listed as dead.
Joseph's children were Mary b1864, Ellen b1866, Elizabeth b1869, Sarah b1871, William b1874, Jane b1875, Joseph b1876. I've found in the last half hour that my Joseph was the Joseph Aspey killed in a pit accident in 1876.

Best wishes

John.

Hi john

As we can't find William & Elizabeth in 1851 or 1861 here's a possible scenario based on the premise that James Aspey born Shevington 1844 is their child:

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1851 England Census
about James Aspull
Name: James Aspull
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Shevington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Shevington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Feimer 32
Elizabeth Feimer 32
John Feimer 4
Robert Turner 2
Thomas Turner 8 Mo
James Aspull 7

The image says Turner for the parents and it does say Aspull for James but that could be a mistake by the enumerator because here they are again in 1861


1861 England Census
about James Aspey
Name: James Aspey
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Shevington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Shevington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Turner 42
Elizabeth Turner 42
James Aspey 17
John Turner 15
Robert Turner 12
Ann Turner 8
Peter Turner 5
Elizabeth Turner 3


Will post more in a mo

So did William die/perhaps they were estranged?

Couldn't find a marriage for Turner/Aspey but there is this:

Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)

Beswick Henry Bolton 21 83
Crook Richard Bolton 21 83
>>Gore Elizabeth Bolton 21 83
LAWTON Ann Bolton 21 83
MCOWEN James Bolton 21 83
PARKER Margaret Bolton 21 83
TAYLOR Martha Bolton 21 83
>>Turner Peter Bolton 21 83

Then looked for poss death of William in 1844/45. Free BMD has two in 1845 but one is in Leeds and neither give age.

Lancashire BMD has this one:

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
ASPEY William 31 Adlington Preston ADL/1/88

I'm assuming that's the Chorley one on Free BMD?
The age is near enough.

SO! There's a possibility or it may be a complete red herring......and it doesn't help in finding Joseph jnr in 1861.....

How did you find out it was your Joseph that died in the pit accident?

Julie

Btw I think the Askeys you have in 1881 are right. The image could easily be a P or a K.

Here they are in 1871:


1871 England Census
about Joseph Aspy
Name: Joseph Aspy
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Sherington, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Pemberton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Marsh Green
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Aspy 29
Margaret Aspy 27
Mary Aspy 7
Ellen Aspy 4
Elizabeth Aspy 2

Julie