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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2010 22:33

No because as you can see he was in Ashton Barracks in 1851, cant see him on earlier census but Maureen NY did post a marriage that tied with the names on Isabella's baptism in 1871.
reposting again as you may have missed it
Name: Christopher Graham
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Windsor
County: Berkshire, Surrey
Volume: 2c
Page: 910
Spouse Elizabeth Sarah Ann Dankins

so the cert will name his dad ,hopefully !!

Margaret

Margaret Report 12 Mar 2010 22:27

Thanks Shirley
so christopher was born in hounslow was there any info on his parents or any relations.
Regards Margaret

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2010 22:07

heres Christopher on the 1851 census
Name: Christopher Graham
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Private
Gender: Male
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:Musician in Regimental Band

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Hartshead
ED, institution, or vessel: Ashton Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2010 21:53

1871 census
Name: Christopher Graham
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Soldier -Trooper
Gender: Male
Where born: Stainton, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Clewer
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Windsor
Sub-registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: Cavalry Barracks
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Christopher Graham 35
Elizabeth Graham 28
William Graham 4
Elizabeth Graham 2
Isabella Graham 1

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 12 Mar 2010 21:50

The 1871 says Christopher was born somewhere in Middlesex,but it's been scrawled through and I can't make it out.

Maureen

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2010 21:44

Henry was born in Dublin according to the 1881 census
Maybe the Graham family were Military so the children were born in various places according to where the dad was posted

Margaret

Margaret Report 12 Mar 2010 21:39

Thanks for all your help everyone i will try and get birth certificate for lizzie graham now and will alter my family tree back to Christopher being her father and not Henry, also dose it say on records if her father Christopher originated from windsor berks or if he was born somewhere else,
Regards Margaret

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Mar 2010 22:08

Margaret from all her siblings marriges including hers her father was Christopher and she had a brother Christopher, Its looks like her dad wasnt Henry as he is with the family on the 1881 census BUT is Unmarried and her mum is down as widowed.
It looks very much as if Henry lived with the family and was Christopher's brother and also a musician.
There is just the one birth reg for Lizzie in 1876 Windsor that I would be inclined to get ,you could use her dads name as a checking point

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 11 Mar 2010 22:01

Yes,Margaret,Shirley and I have come to the conclusion that her father was Christopher.
After Christopher died,his wife was with a Henry Graham who could well be Christopher's brother.

Maureen

Margaret

Margaret Report 11 Mar 2010 21:52

hi shirley
well some family members have mention lizzie being born in windsor and other sight users have her down as being born in windsor i have her marriage certificate and it states her fathers name as christopher graham musician and wiliam laurence graham was her witness on marriage certificate,it is confusing because its also been said her fathers name is henry and christopher was her brother so noy sure which is her father.
regards margaret

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 9 Mar 2010 13:15

That was my take on it too,not finding a marriage,so probably a convenient arrangement.

Maureen

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 9 Mar 2010 13:02

That's interesting Maureen I didn't actually look at the 1881 census as this had already been posted but did look at the 1891 full page where Elizabeth is down as his wife so looks like she may have married her BIL Cant find any marriage so maybe they were living togther OR the enumerator thought they were husband & wife

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 9 Mar 2010 12:06

I'm not certain,Shirley,but I'm getting the impression that it's the same family,but Christopher has died.
Deaths Dec 1879
Graham Christopher 42 Islington 1b 165

If you have another look at the 1881 census it says Henry is unmarried and Elizabeth is a widow. I think Elizabeth's age is 37 on the census. It's possible that Henry is Christopher's brother...

This marriage fits well:
Marriages Dec 1865
Dankins Elizabeth Sarah Ann Windsor 2c 910
Graham Christopher Windsor 2c 910
with this baptism:
Name: Isabella Graham
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 May 1871
Father's Name: Christopher Graham Occ:Musician Albany St. Barracks
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Sarah Ann Graham
Parish: Christ Church, Albany Street
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Maureen

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 9 Mar 2010 10:23

It looks very much like there are two Graham families both with fathers who were musicians. It may be that Christopher and his family aren't showing on some census because they weren't in the UK at the time.Still only the one birth coming up though for just Lizzie Graham b Windsor .but this may be the other family with father Henry, How sure are you she was born Windsor?

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 8 Mar 2010 23:14

1871 Ancestry
Name: Isabella Graham
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Soldier Daughter (Soldier)
Gender: Female
Where born: Windsor, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Clewer
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Windsor
Sub-registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: Cavalry Barracks
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age

Christopher Graham 35
Elizabeth Graham 28
William Graham 4
Elizabeth Graham 2
Isabella Graham 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1302; Folio: 8

Maureen

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 8 Mar 2010 23:03


Name: Christopher Graham
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Isabel Pheba Freser
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Apr 1899
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Christopher Graham deceased
Spouse Father Name: James Freser


1901 census transcription details for: 42, St Pauls Road, Hastings St Mary Magdalen

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 869 Folio: 79 Page: 46


Reg. District: Hastings Sub District: St Mary Magdalen
Parish: Hastings St Mary Magdalen Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Hastings St Peter City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 42, St Pauls Road, Hastings St Mary Magdalen
County: Sussex

GRAHAM, Christoper Head Married M 27 1874 Fine Art Dealer's Manager
Windsor
Berkshire
GRAHAM, Isabel Wife Married F 23 1878
Kennington
London
GRAHAM, Cecil Son Single M 1 1900
St Leonards
Sussex

Name: Alice Elizabeth Graham
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: Henry Withey
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: Easter Sunday 1892
Parish: Holy Redeemer, Exmouth Market
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Christopher Graham Occ:Musician
Spouse Father Name: Henry James Withey

Maureen

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 8 Mar 2010 22:39

How odd:
Name: William Lawrence Graham Occ:Musician
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Spouse Name: Annie Martin
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Aug 1896
Parish: St John, Holborn
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Christopher Graham Occ:Musician deceased
Spouse Father Name: William Henry Martin
One of the witnesses was Christopher Graham.

Maureen

Margaret

Margaret Report 8 Mar 2010 22:13

hi ann
i think you are right i think there must have been a error on the marrige certificate,and that christopher was her brother and henry was her father,as everythink else you have is correct like being married to henry moorcraft etc thanks for your help i now will just have to try and find anybody else connected to lizzie graham my grandmother
thanks again.
regards margaret

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Mar 2010 21:00

well as you an see we have conflicting information with her father being Henry the musician and her brother being Christopher

Margaret

Margaret Report 8 Mar 2010 20:42

hi ann
have deleted other post sorry pressed key twice, lizzie was born in 1876 at windsor castle she married henry moorcraft march 1905 at st peters church clerkenwell, london she was 29 years old when she married,on the marrage certificate she is down as lizzie maria graham
i know her fathers name was christopher,and he is listed at being deceased on the marraige certificate would like any infomation of her mother or other relatives.
regards margaret