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Mary, the eldest of the two was ill in 1911

O THEA, Mary Patient F 6 1905 Glamorgan Mountain Ash
Sanatorium Infectious Discases Hospital, CARDIFF SANATORIUM & INFECTIOUS DISEASES HOSPITAL

Reg. District: Cardiff Sub District: West Cardiff
Parish: Cardiff Enum. District: 33

Daniel's first wife Annie Roach died in 1910. No luck as yet in finding Daniel's in 1911 though.

This is Alice's whereabouts in the 1911 census, her name is of course Alice O'Shea not O Shen;
Person: O SHEN, Alice
Institution: Nazareth House Home For Orphans, ORPHAN HOME, NORTH ROAD, CARDIFF

O SHEN, Alice Inmate F 2 1909 Glam Mountain Ash VIEW

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Do we know what happened to the two children from his first marriage?
I can't locate either of them in 1911. Is it possible he took them to Ireland to be raised.
Just thought it may be worth a look on the 1911 Irish Census to see if they are there.

ROWLANDS, Rob Daniel Head Married M 37 1874 Coal Miner Repairer Carnavon Shire VIEW
ROWLANDS, Mary Ann Wife Married
9 years F 43 1868 Mountain Ash Glamorgan Shire VIEW
STEPHENS, David John Stepson Single M 23 1888 Coal Miner Haulier Mountain Ash Glamorgan Shire VIEW
STEPHENS, William Arthur Stepson Single M 20 1891 Coal Miner Rep Helper Cilfynydd Glamorgan Shire VIEW
STEPHENS, Annie Mary Stepdaughter Single F 15 1896 Cilfynydd Glamorgan Shire VIEW
STEPHENS, Olwen Ann Daughter Single F 8 1903 Cilfynydd Glamorgan Shire VIEW
STEPHENS, Idwal Robert Son Single M 6 1905 Cilfynydd Glamorgan Shire VIEW

Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Eglwysilan EnumerationDistrict:
7 Parish:
Pontypridd

Address:
27 Oakland Terrace Cilfynydd Pontypridd County:
Glamorganshire

HOUSEHOLD STEPHENS WILLIAM ARTHUR M 1891 20 Pontypridd Glamorganshire

The marriage witnesses were Annie and William Stephens. Does this 1911 census entry, list William and Annie as living in Oakfield Street, Llanbradach by any chance?

Beth

Thanks Astra. Not sure where to go from here.

OK I have found her. I thought she was Mary Annie! She is the single daughter of Gladys and Edgar John

Neither of the Merthyr ones are yours. One is married to Tom and the other to George. Looking for Mary Annie in Pontypridd. She's not showing on Find my Past can you re-check the details please.

Need to check who the witnesses the wedding were

And lastly the following;

HOUSEHOLD TAYLOR ANNIE MARY F 1888 23 Pontypridd Glamorganshire

HOUSEHOLD TAYLOR MARY ANN F 1889 22 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorganshire
HOUSEHOLD TAYLOR MARY ANN F 1889 22 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorganshire

Sorry to ask again, is it possible for anyone to look at these for me please? I have spent a fortune paying for entries over the last couple of months.

Beth

Thank you! Not the same couple then as Mary Ford and William Evison Taylor. How the devil did my great-grandparents meet?!

TAYLOR, Alexander Head Married M 27 1884 Coach Painter Northumberland Berwick on Tweed VIEW
TAYLOR, Mary Wife Married F 22 1889 Northumberland Berwick on Tweed VIEW

Registration District:
Berwick Sub District:
Berwick upon Tweed EnumerationDistrict:
5 Parish:
Berwick upon Tweed

Address:
31 West Street Berwick

Please could someone look up the following entry for me?

HOUSEHOLD TAYLOR MARY F 1889 22 Berwick Northumberland

Thanks

Sorry if I'm having a blonde moment here but are you saying that the marriage between Mary Ford and William Evison Taylor is not the Mary that I'm looking for or that it is, and soon after marrying him she left him? Still not sure why I can't find her in the 1911 census though. Mary had her first born on 20 October 1911 in Llanbradach, South Wales after the census would have been done I think.

I might and indeed almost certainly am barking up the wrong tree but I don't see any births coming up for that Mary Ford / William Taylor marriage. So what I was considering was that perhaps Mary didn't live with her husband for very long and reverted to her maiden surname. It is possible that she was indeed a widow when she married Daniel - that may have been what delayed the wedding i.e. waiting for her first husband to die!

Depends when in 1911 her child was born but probably yes. I was trying a process of elimation to check if the Northumberland Mary (with father William an Ag. Lab.) was actually your Mary.

It could well be, y only thought is that Mary's first child was born in 1911 in Llanbrdach, Glamorgan and so would she not have been in Wales for the 1911 census?

Now, I wonder if this is a marriage for Northumberland Mary??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
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FORD Mary Glendale 10b 808
TAYLOR William Evison Glendale 10b 808




1911 Census

HOUSEHOLD TAYLOR MARY F 1889 22 Berwick Northumberland


Perhaps it would be worth having a look at that census entry?

Brilliant, that's good to know. Thanks you. I have been unable to find a Mary Ford or Mary O'Shea in the 1911 census though! Nightmare!