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Thanks for the information that you have sent me i have contacted a 3x cousin who is in his 90's, he and his parents lived with Wm. Cooper b1858 for a number of years, he was unaware that richard was previously married & had a son James, we are going to check to see if he came to australia with his half siblings.

Aileen
Can I ask please where you found the details of the Irish marriage? Just think it might help with some of my own Irish lot.

This is the marriage cert information

Date of Marriage: 11-Nov-1853
Parish / District: URNEY County: Co. Donegal
Husband ..................................... Wife
Name: Richard Meldrum..................... Mary Cooper
Address: Castlefin Donoughmore............ Alt Upper Urney
Denomination: Presbyterian............... Presbyterian
Occupation: MANAGER
Age: Full Age (Over 21) ................ Full Age (Over 21)
Status: Widower (Male)
Husband's Father ....................... Wife's Father
Name: James Meldrum................... William Cooper
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation: WEAVER..................... FARMER
Husband's Mother ...................... Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1.................... Witness 2
Name: George McClure............... William Cooper


This gives his father's name as James and occupation as weaver.....Helen(ms Watson)Meldrum death cert gives her as widow of a weaver.....................but .........there were an awful lot of weavers in Dunfermline.
I'm sure we have it correct though

No husbands name was not given

Have a look here for Dunfermline weavers - Richard's not on it but perhaps you may find something useful.

http://www.fifefhs.org/

Parents John Watson & Elizabeth Wright - but submitted records!

JEAN WATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 DEC 1779 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

JEAN WATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 OCT 1785 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

MARY WATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 SEP 1778 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

MARY WATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 MAR 1788 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

ELIZABETH WATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 NOV 1783 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

HELEN WATSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 NOV 1781 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Janet Watson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 17 JUN 1792 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Aileen

That was a good find! Did the death certificate confirm her husband's name? Part of the difficulty here, of course is that not all the 1841 census for Fife survived as some of it met a watery grave!

Thanks for checking that Aileen - at least he can be eliminated now.

I found a death for Helen ( ms Watson) Meldrum died 1861 aged 81.....signed by William Meldrum (son).......parents John and Elzabeth think the ms is Wright

I took a look at the marriage cert for James Meldrum and Catherine (Donaldson)......not the James Meldrum son of Richard......this ones parents were William and Catherine ms McGregor.

I think there is a good chance that this is Richard's son James, married with a family. A check on Scotlandspeople for the marriage would confirm this.

1881

Name: James Meldrum
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: 51 Grieve St
Occupation: Power Loom Harness Mounter
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 175
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_117
Household Members: Name Age
James Meldrum 37
Catherine Meldrum 33
William Meldrum 8
Catherine M Meldrum 6
James D Meldrum 4
Helen Meldrum 1

Source Citation: Parish: Dunfermline; ED: 14; Page: 34; Line: 1; Roll cssct1881_117; Year: 1881.


1891
Name: James Meldrum
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fife
Registration Number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: Catherina Cottage Beveridgewell
Occupation: Harness Loom Mounter
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 37
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_129
Household Members: Name Age
James Meldrum 47
Catherine Meldrum 43
Catherine Meldrum 16
James Meldrum 14
Helen Meldrum 11
Robert Meldrum 8
Margaret Meldrum 6
John Meldrum 5 Mos

Source Citation: Parish: Dunfermline; ED: 21; Page: 8; Line: 4; Roll CSSCT1891_129; Year: 1891.



1901

Name: James Meldrum
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fife
Registration Number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: 3 High Bereridgewell
Occupation: Linen Harness Mounter
ED: 25
Household schedule number: 58
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1901_135
Household Members: Name Age
James Meldrum 57
Catherine Meldrum 53
Helen Meldrum 21
Robert Meldrum 18
Margaret Meldrum 16
John Meldrum 10
Catherine Meldrum 26

Source Citation: Parish: Dunfermline; ED: 25; Page: 12; Line: 8; Roll CSSCT1901_135; Year: 1901.

Oooh I just noticed the address for the 1851 census Golfdrum Street.....my aunty lives there

As the 1851 census states James Meldrum is Richards son it looks as if he was married before so marriage suggested by Ann of Green Gables may well be his.

Possible death for Richard .....states he is widower but no wife's name and no parents names given

1871 MELDRUM RICHARD M 59 DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE

Death for Mary.....wife of Richard Meldrum.....no parents names given

1866 MELDRUM MARY COUPER F 36 DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE

I think this may be your man on the 1851 census

Name: Richard Meldrum
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relationship: Head
Mother's Name: Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, Fife
Parish Number: 424
Civil parish: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: Golfdrum Street
Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver (linen)
ED: 26
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 46
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1851_87
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Meldrum 38
Helen Watson 69........Mother
James Meldrum 5..........son

IF!!! this is him then this is his parents marriage. As his daughter was (H)Ellen Watson I'm fairly sure

HELEN WATSON
Event(s):
Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES MELDRUM
Marriage:
11 DEC 1811 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

No need to apologise Trudi.

You can look on that site that I have given you the link to and see if you can find any more births in Ireland for the siblings of Samuel. When you find the details of year, quarter, volume and page number use those to oder the certificate ( I printed them off and attached them to the order form). The order forms and instructions are available from the GROIRE web site. They cannot take credit card payments but if you get some Euros and send them "signed for" mail they will accept that.

When you get the marriage certificate, post the details and we'll see if we can find Richard on the 1841 or 1851 census. You could also look for deaths for him and his wife in Ireland as it looks as if Helen and Samuel are maybe orphans and boarded out. It may be that Richard and his wife died and the children were sent back to his family in his native Fife.

Let us know how you get on and Good Luck.

EDIT

Here's the link for the order forms

http://www.groireland.ie/

Thank you, I will get birth certificate my grandfather told me a number of years ago that his grandfather came from fifeshire, scotland. The three children came to australia sometime before 1885, I'm not sure if there were more children born to the marriage. Sorry

Richard and Mary married in Ireland in 1853.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#surname=Meldrum;marriage
Year=1853;marriagePlace=Ireland;searchType=standard;p=recordResults;marriage
PlaceId=1927084;givenName=Richard



So how do you know Richard was born in Fife please?

You need the details from that marriage i.e. Richards occupation and his father's name and occupation and it may be possible to find them on the 1851 or 1841 census - if you think that he may have been in Scotland then.

The references needed to order Samuel's birth cert. can be found here

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1864;surname
=Meldrum;p=recordResults;searchType=standard;birthPlace=Ireland;birthPlaceId=1927084;givenName=Samuel

Well Samuel wasn't born in Scotland at all by the looks of it!!

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SAMUEL COOPER MELDRUM Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 24 JAN 1864 0311, Castlefinn, Donegal, Ireland

Parents:
Father: RICHARD MELDRUM Family
Mother: MARY COOPER


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