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Yes, Alison, there is no point in taking guesses with this. If your ancestors are the couple William and Helena you can't proceed safely without that certificate.

thankyou for everybodys help on this. regards

still on the case of william entwistle. i now have his marriage cert which is his 2nd marriage. it gives him to be a widow but even though i now no that he was a widow how do i find out the name of his 1st wife plz..

Hi Alison Jane
Does the marriage certificate give his age and his fathers name and occupation?

is this one any good

Baptisms: 11 Jun 1868 Lower Chapel, Darwen, Lancashire, England
William Entwistle - son of John Entwistle & Rachel (formerly Fish)
Born: 5 July 1867
Source: Original Register

in light of previous baptism this is a curious co-incidence

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ENTWISTLE William FISH Rachel Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended

i am pretty sure this is the william i am looking for. but now another question is, where is the death of rachel, as wiliam married helena (edith) in 1907 & it states he was a widow.
i have found a rachel entwistles death in 1910 but thats too late

Hi Alison

have you found William & Helena in 1911 which would give William's birthplace.

Does the marriage certificate give his age and father's name & occupation?
and Helena Edith's age?

There are a few William Entwistle marriages around the right time so the one to Rachel may not be the right one.

wiliam was born in darwen. on his marriage cert to helena (which i have ) it states his age as 37 but i dont think that is exact. his father was william (deceased) master slater. william was living at 1 manchester rd chapel en le frith at the time of the marriage in 1907. his occupation was a painter.

This could be the family in 1881:

1881 England Census
about William Entwistle
Name: William Entwistle
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Darwen, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Over Darwen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 33 Sarah St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Paper Works (Oddman)

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Entwistle 49 Flagger and Slater b Darwen
Ann Entwistle 48
John Entwistle 27
Thomas Entwistle 24
Edward Entwistle 18
William Entwistle 16 Paper works oddman
Robert Shaw Entwistle 14
Mary A. Entwistle 13
Peter Entwistle 9
Betty Entwistle 6

The William who married Rachel Fish could be possible - the daughter Florence Ethel Entwistle is living with her uncle Squire Fish in 1911, indicating that her mother at least may be dead.

I don't envy you on this - Entwistle is a strong Lancashire name and Fish - well, don't ask, there are hoardes of them in my own family - all from Darwen and nearby.

EDIT - beat Ann by a whole 2 minutes!

is this William in 1881 (tho born a lttle earlier in 1864/65)

William ENTWISTLE Head M Male 49 Darwen, Lancashire, England Flagger And Slater
Ann ENTWISTLE Wife M Female 48 Horwich, Lancashire, England
John ENTWISTLE Son U Male 27 Wigan, Lancashire, England Labourer
Thomas ENTWISTLE Son U Male 24 Darwen, Lancashire, England Labourer
Edward ENTWISTLE Son U Male 18 Darwen, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
William ENTWISTLE Son U Male 16 Darwen, Lancashire, England Paper Works (Oddman)
Robert Shaw ENTWISTLE Son U Male 14 Darwen, Lancashire, England Paper Works Staining Works (Oddman)
Mary A. ENTWISTLE Daur U Female 13 Darwen, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Peter ENTWISTLE Son U Male 9 Darwen, Lancashire, England Scholar
Betty ENTWISTLE Daur U Female 6 Darwen, Lancashire, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling 33 Sarah St
Census Place Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342008
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4207 / 64
Page Number 55

edit - beat me to it madmeg

do this witnesses on his 1907 marriage help?

Unfortunately, the truth was not always told, and William may have said he was a widower in 1907 (well, he lied about his age on marriage, by 5 years by the looks of it) and the Rachel who died in 1910 was his wife and still alive in 1907.

It's all supposition though, without documentary evidence. Which means the marriage cert of William and Rachel Fish, possibly the death cert of Rachel Entwistle too if the marriage cert indicates the right William. Both marriage and death are on Lancs bmd (Rachel died in Darwen), and at Blackburn Register Office, so you could perhaps save yourself the cost of one of those certificates by printing off the forms and sending them to Blackburn with a covering letter that you really don't want both certificates, but will happily pay for the marriage if William's father is William, a slater, and would they be able to tell you if the Rachel who died in 1910 would appear to be the wife of William, a painter. They might insist you pay for both certificates to get this information, but it's worth a try.