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Marriages Sep 1893
Andrews Thomas Tunbridge 2a 1225
Carter Mary Ann Tunbridge 2a 1225

1901 England Census
about Maryan Andrews
Name: Maryan Andrews
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Hailsham, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Eastbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:
Registration district: Eastbourne
Sub-registration district: Eastbourne
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Andrews 29
Maryan Andrews 26
Thomas Andrews 7
Celia Andrews 4
John Andrews 3
James Brown 20
Maria Carter 78

Rose

1881 England Census
about Frederick Carter
Name: Frederick Carter
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil parish: Waldron
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: Horeham Rd Caravan
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Uckfield
Sub-registration district: Framfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Carter 28
Mary A. Carter 26
Amy Carter 5
Henry Carter 4
Frederick Carter 1
Mary Ann Carter 7


Rose

1891 England Census
about Fredrick Carter
Name: Fredrick Carter
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hailsham, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Ringmer
Ecclesiastical parish: Ringmer
Town: Ringmer
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: Caravan at Broyle Race Course

Registration district: Lewes
Sub-registration district: Chailey
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Carter 43
Mary Ann Carter 36
Mary Ann Carter 17
John Henry Carter 13
Fredrick Carter 11
John Carter 9
Olive Carter 6
Maria Carter 5
Phillip Carter 9/12
Henry Walter Fuller 21

Lou,

Interesting you should mention the fair because the Carter family I posted in 1901 was living in a caravan. They were also in Caravans in earlier census. I'll post the records.

Rose

Thanks Jan. Not sure where they mean then. Unless they meant Sussex and wrote Surrey. This is definately going to be a certificate job i think. Thanks for all your help.
Lou

Lou, just to say have had a look at 1911 original and it definitely says Stenning, but most likely a spelling error on their part.
Jan

Just a quick note. I checked my info again and i got Stenning from the 1911 Cenus. Need to buy more credits to see the actual census so will have to wait. I know that Fredericks children were born in Sussex and Kent so they are the most likely places for him to be from but i do know that they did/had at some point travel with The Andrews Fair as my nan told me about her mum Gentina selling sweets on the fair. The Andrews are their cousins (so i have been told by my nan, which obv might not be true as word of mouth can be hearsay)
Thanks
Lou

Lou...Heres the family you put up for 1901 at the beginning of your thread, this is them in 1891..........just plain Frederick Carter...Penge and Anerley are the in the same area...


CARTER, Charles Head Married M 58 1833 Bricklayer
Boxford
Berkshire VIEW
CARTER, Harriott Wife Married F 65 1826
Winchester
Hampshire VIEW
CARTER, Charles Son Single M 23 1868 Bricklayer
Penge
Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Agnes Daughter Single F 20 1871 Dressmaker
Penge
Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Harry Son Single M 18 1873 Carman
Penge
Surrey VIEW
CARTER, Frederick Grandson M 9 1882
Penge
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
599 Folio:
34 Page:
61

Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
Croydon EnumerationDistrict:
70 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity


Nicky

Thanks so much for all of your replies. Think the best thing to do is wait until i have moved house and order some certificates. I have spent 3 years finding Gentina and her marriage etc as her name is spelt differently on all registrations incl 1911, birth, marriage and death. I am sure another few months wont make too much difference. lol. It was a long shot so thanks for all your help guys Nobody ever said family history was a quick proccess lol.
Thanks again
Louise

There's this one:

1901 England Census
about Fred Carter
Name: Fred Carter
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Marian
Gender: Male
Where born: Steyning, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Hailsham St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Hailsham St Mary
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Hailsham
Sub-registration district: Hellingly
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members: Name Age
John Carter 53
Marian Carter 47
Fred Carter 22
John Carter 20
Olive Carter 18
Maria Carter 16

Address: Van at Harebeating
Rose

Yes Rose I agree ...I don`t know of a Stenning in Surrey, but there is Steyning in Sussex.


Nicky

Looking at the 1901 and 1911 census entries again, i`m not sure you have the same person on both..

1901 Census he is Frederick G Carter...
1901 Marriage Frederick Carter
1911 Census Frederick Carter

Think the 1911 Frederick is probably the one who marries in Tonbridge in1901, as the 10 years of marriage and the names of possible brides match up.

An example of why you need to buy the certs.!!




Nicky

I'm not aware of a Stenning in Surrey. There's one in Sussex.

Rose

births
Mary A Carter 1912 mar qt Tonbridge .mother Swan gro ref 2a 1592

I cant find a place called Stenning. There is Anerley Gt London.Has anyone checked the census images

If I was you I would buy Gentina's birth certificate first to establish her mother's maiden name. If it turns out to be Swan then you can be pretty certain that we have given you the right marriage in Tonbridge. Then you have to decide whether or not to buy the marriage certificate as this is the only way to be certain of Frederick's father's name so you can be sure you have the right family in the 1901 census.

Kath. x

In answer to your original question....... yes there is a chance that this may be the correct Frederick G Carter but....... by the same note it may not be, there could have been more than one Frederick G. Carter born Surrey c1881

Is Stenning near to Annerley?

Family history is a very expensive hobby, but you really need to buy certificates, especially on yout direct line to insure that you are tracing the correct people, either the marriage cert. for Frederick or Gentinas birth cert. will help you trace back correctly.


Nicky

OK the spelling was right!! I know it gets expensive but there are times when a cert becomes necessary and this might be one of them:

Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
Carter Gentina Hailsham 2b 90

guessing
Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)

CARTER Frederick Tunbridge 2a 1517
Swan Mary Ann Tunbridge 2a 1517

This looks like the birth reg. for Gentina....if you purchase this it will confirm parents names including mothers maiden name...

Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Carter Gentina Hailsham 2b 90



Nicky

Could this be their marriage:-

Name: Frederick Carter
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Tonbridge
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 1517

Also on the page is a Mary Ann Swan.

The marriage certificate would give his father's name and occupation.

Kath. x