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Hello Ann and Mel,
Henry was a cabinet maker but I can see where you are coming from with the baker. Also he could have changed his occupation I suppose - but yeah, he was a cabinet maker .
Wish Ancestry would get themselves sorted that may solve the problem for us all!
If my relatives had odd names they would be easier to find - not as much fun maybe - but most certainly easier! I did have one relative NIMROD - goodness knows where his parents got that forename from in mid 1800's but there you go! Lynne

Ann I was just wondering if that Henry that was a baker was down somewhere as Confectioner Baker and it has been read as Cabinet Maker that was all.

Hi Lynne

I thought you said Henry was a cabinet maker and the one born in chelmsford was a baker

Ancestry still not done anything about that marriage

Ann

Hi Mel,
just a quick thank you before I switch off again.
Glad your mom got on ok today - what a way to spend the day! My other half had to have an endoscopy and biopsy - the results will come in about 2 weeks - so its fingers crossed for him.
Thank you for looking for dear old Henry, I will have a proper read tomorrow.

All the best - Lynne

Well it just shows you dos'nt it. All the best girls spent Thursday at hospital!!

Mum got on ok and did'nt have to have another injection in her eyeball much to her releif. and now we have 7 weeks grace till next time.

this is what I found last night late, just thought I would put it up as it may be a ref but not sure.

1851 England Census
about Henry Turner
Name: Henry Turner
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentonville St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: White Lion St Finsbury.

Occupation: HENRY IS A BAKER

Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Turner 59
Mary Ann Turner 51

HO107; Piece: 1518; Folio: 58; Page: 23

AM OFF COMPUTER FOR REST OF DAY THANKS TO ALL WHO HELPED WITH INFO> LYNNE

Hi Mel I too have spent most of today at hospital Lynne

Morning Lynne,

I had a little look last night very late after the family had gone to bed.

Now I find today is the day I have to take my mum (86) to hosp for her eye checkup. We have to be there at 12 noon so will be gone for about 5 hours!!!

Mel

Thanks Mel Im off to bed too now, will check with you tomorrow.

Goodnight

Lynne

Did'nt get back till late and then had to do dinner and sit with OH for a while.

Only just found John and his mum on the 1861 census and he is only a few doors away from Adah!!!!!!! and I missed him this morning. Silly old fool.

Will get back on it in the morning.

Mel

Hopefully Ann, if Ancestry can get their problem sorted it may provide an answer.

Thanks

Lynne

hello again,
We agree Henry is Johns father and that he married Mary Ann - just need to know which one. I am still curious about any siblings for John and a few names have been put forward Sarah,Ellen,Emma & Miles as these were all born St Pancras around the same years as Johns birth. Are they related to Henry and John or just a coincidence - unfortunately I havent the full access to find out.As I said from John and Adah I do have information to present day - its Johns parents and any siblings that are causing grief!

hi

have had another look at the marriage I found onlondon marriages for Henry turner and mary ann harold hayson hoping they may have fixed the poor image as I reported it but no they have not. wish they would so we can see henrys job and this show if this is the right one or not.

cant find another children for them other than John on london births

will keep an eye on that and see if ancestry fixes the problem

Ann

I have to go out now but will look back later.

I only put up the census to try and get a picture of the families.

I looked at all the pages of the 1861 census that Adah was on to see if there was a John Turner living near her. I only found a lodger George Turner on all of the 47 pages.

Now I am wondering about this family on the 1841 census with father William Turner who is a Cabinet maker with wife Ann. Perhaps they used their second names as a lot of people did. This William turner was not born in Middx where they are living. As you know the 1841 was not very informative.

1841 England Census
about Wm Turner
Name: Wm Turner
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Turner 45
Ann Turner 40 1801 born in the county
Wm Turner 18
Amelia Turner 17
Robert Turner 16
Joseph Turner 15
Harriott Turner 13
Maria Turner 10
Elizabeth Turner 7
John Turner 3
Emma Turner 6 Mo

I dont know anything about Turner family only from John to present day! All I know is that JOHN TURNER born 1839 St Pancras Middx married ADAH BUCK in Dec 1861.
His father HENRY married MARY (-but was it Mary Ann Harold Hayson on 26/8/1839 or was it Mary Ann Clarke Hodgson on 21/8/1839) both St Anne Soho Westminster.
I dont know when or where Henry was born I presume London area late 1700's to early 1800's. Am looking for siblings to try to establish parents!.............HELP!!!!!

Yes Mel,
I have got the Buck family but I have not got the Turner family. I was told by a family member they thought Johns father was also called John and that threw me - later on I found out Turner Snr was in fact Henry, a cabinet maker and obviously this is confirmed on Johns marriage certificate. As I said any other info has been given me by helpful folk yesterday, so I presume Henry married Mary but what of their children - I assumeJohn wasnt an only child?
Lynne

1891 England Census
about John Turner
Name: John Turner
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Adah
Gender: Male
Where born: Refenk Pope, Middlesex, England
WHERE BORN SHOULD BE REGENTS PARK MIDDX AND NOT WHAT IS TRANSCRIBED.
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Elementry School Teacher

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Turner 53
Adah Turner 53
Ada M Turner 27
Elizabeth E Turner 23
Edith E Turner 21
Agustus Turner 19
Gertrude Turner 17
Mary Turner 15
Ethel Turner 11

So this is the marriage you have.

Name: John Turner
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Walsingham
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 857


Adah Buck 1861 Walsingham Norfolk
John Turner 1861 Walsingham Norfolk

1841 England Census
about Adah Buck
Name: Adah Buck
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Holkham
Hundred: North Greenhoe
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Walsingham
Sub-registration district: Wells
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathan Buck 60
Elizth Buck 45
Willm Cumo Buck 13
Katherine Buck 11
Fredrick Buck 8
Adah Buck 4


1851 England Census
about Adah Buck
Name: Adah Buck
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jonathon
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Holkham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Holkham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Walsingham
Sub-registration district: Fakenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathon Buck 69
Elizabeth Buck 54
Catherine Jane Buck 21
Adah Buck 13


1861 England Census
about Ada Buck
Name: Ada Buck
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Holkham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Holkham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Walsingham
Sub-registration district: Wells
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Buck 68
Catharine J Buck 31
Ada Buck 23

Born in1838 in St Pancras John Turner married Adah Buck living in Holkham, Norfolk they moved to London later on. ( I have their childrens names etc)
Adah was born 1838 Holkham, her father was Jonathon Buck b. Holkham abt 1778
Johns father was Henry, a Cabinet Maker. Possibly born in London area late 1700's.
Anything else has been through these posts above. I was only given the marriage certificate of John and Adah today.
Sorry cant be more informative.

Can we sort out some of this info please?

John Turner 1838 born Pancras?

Father Henry Turner age? where born.

Henry's wife Mary Ann born when and where please?

Tell us what you do know.