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I apologise if I have hijacked this thread - but Hattie Peters is my family. I don't think we can go much further without knowing William's details fro the marriage cert. I have PM'd asking for this. also the witnesses and William's father's occupation may help to sort out the two families.....

Peter

So this would be the GWALIA one:
1911 census transcription details for: 10 Penarth St Peckham Camberwell S E
National Archive Reference: RG14PN2545 RG78PN86 RD27 SD5 ED2 SN86

Reg. District: Camberwell Sub District: Peckham North
Parish: Camberwell Enum. District: 2
Address: 10 Penarth St Peckham Camberwell S E County: London
HILLIER, William Head Married M 39 1872 General Laberour Camberwell London
HILLIER, Elizabeth Wife Married
16 years F 40 1871 Camberwell London
HILLIER, William Son Single M 15 1896 Wooden Box Maker Deptford London
HILLIER, Arthur Son M 13 1898 School Camberwell London
HILLIER, Lissie Daughter F 11 1900 Camberwell London
HILLIER, Mable Daughter F 10 1901 Camberwell London
HILLIER, Charlie Son M 8 1903 Camberwell London
HILLIER, Harry Son M 6 1905 Camberwell London
HILLIER, James Son M 4 1907 Camberwell London
HILLIER, Nellie Daughter F 1 1910 Camberwell London
BECK, Benjimin Cousin Married M 35 1876 General Laberour Camberwell London
BECK, Emma Wife Married
12 years F 35 1876 Deptford London
HILLIER, Edward Brother Single M 41 1870 General Laberour Camberwell London


Maureen

Births Jun 1896
Hillier William Horace Greenwich 1d 1054
Births Sep 1893
Peters Hattie Hampstead 1a 662

Marriages Jun 1916
Hellier William H Peters Camberwell 1d 1748
Peters Hattie Hillier Camberwell 1d 1748

Births Mar 1917
Hillier Elsie M Peters Greenwich 1d 1669


confirmed ???

I'm not sure whether Chloe in her initial post is referring to a personal record held by the family, but the service numbers match the Ebblingham Cemetery record.

Gwyn

only problem is that the 1911 census says he is apprentice electrical engineer (maybe he changed his mind!)

Looks probable. Hatcham/Deptford are the same place

peter

HILLIER
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Driver
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: 282nd Army Bde. Ammunition Col.
Date of Death: 15/07/1917
Service No: 947537
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. B. 19.
Cemetery: GWALIA CEMETERY

enlisted 1913 age 17yr 10 mnth
born Hatcham London
occ carpenter
employer CH Glove & co Hatcham
died of wounds received in action 1917
instruction to send personal effects to
Elizabeth Hillier
10 Penarth Street Canterbury Road Old Kent Rd SE

service record on ancestry
William Hillier
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Age at Enlistment: 17
Birth Parish: Hatcham
Birth County: London
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 796
Regiment Name: Div Amm Colmn
Number of Images: 16

Hi Dea

I take your point.

How about William Horace Hillier disappeared during the war, but did not die. Hattie could not remarry to Mr Crutch, but took his name......

Peter

I can't see how the one in Ebblinghem can be the correct one as his full name was:

Name - HILLIER William Henry Manley

and not William Horace Hillier!

Dea x

I am in touch with Sue by PM as I have information on living Peters relatives from Hattie's eight siblings.
In her first message she says he was in the R.C.A - I think that hould be the R.G.A in which case the French death is his.

Peter

given dob from baptism if i have the right one then this may be her death index but not had any luck with a marraige yet
Name: Hattie Crutch
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1893
Death Registration Month/Year: 1973
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5a
Page: 1424


??????????//there is a child David mmn Peters born in 1930

pm message reply
the marraige cert it states that Hattie was 22yrs old and her father was a charles who was deceased.
they married on the 15th may 1916.
Name: Hattie Peters
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Aug 1893 born 12th july 1893
Father's Name: Charles Peters abode Hotel Vale of Health Licenised Victualler
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Peters
Parish: Jesus Church
Borough: Enfield
County: Middlesex


1901 then
e: Hattie Peters
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampstead, London, England
Civil parish: Hampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Peters 57 ran a pub
Sarah Ann Peters 42
Minnie Peters 19
Charles Peters 19
Kate Peters 15
Hugh Peters 9
Hattie Peters 7
David Peters 5
Herbert Richard Butler 25 barman
Ellen Emma Thomas 21 barmaid

what are the details of Hattie on the marrige cert i.e age, fathers name etc

Hi Chloe

I have a quick search of this website: www.cwgc.org, but with the details you have, nothing came up.

I used this site and from my great grandfather and where he died and where he was buries. The information I found also gave me a positive result by mentioning my Great Grandmothers name as his widows. I also used it to trace my husbands great grandfather too.

It might be worth a look yourself.

Regards Wendy

My soldier didn't have an unusual name so only way I was able to confirm my relative who died in WW1 was through Ancestry. I was able to view the telegram sent to my Gt Grandparents.
All his next of kin were listed on a pension document (even uncles) along with his address which matched my records.

Very odd - no record on Ancestry for the name Hattie Hillier - had expected to find either a re-marriage (if William died young) or a death.........but nothing to be found.

Did they have a child?

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Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Hillier Elsie M Peters Greenwich 1d 1669

Where did the 1916 marriage take place?

EDIT:

Is this it?

Name: Hattie Peters
Spouse Surname: Hillier
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1748
Find Spouse: Hellier William H

Perhaps the truth is that he didn't die in WW1 -

thanks to you all i seem to have confused some issues i knew this was going to get the better of me. Sue c that was the family you found on the 1911 census thankyou. we are going to Kew tommorow so maybe i can try and find out some more then. thankyou everyone.