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ATT LADYKIRA re Henry Smith 1841 Bethnal Green

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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:30

Well I do not know what to say. The same two addresses are coming up again and again in the census baptisms and marriages offered you. I thoght you acknowledged the Smith /Broomhead marriage. as correct.
I did ask you for some confirmed data at the beginning of your thread but you did not answer my request.



1901 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 13, The Grove, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head M 60 1841 Grocer's Shop Keeper
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife F 60 1841
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son M 40 1861 Plasterers Labourer
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter F 26 1875 Packer & Sorter In Laundry
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter F 20 1881 Packer & Sorter In Laundry
Homerton
London VIEW
CASUNS, Lilian Grand Daughter F 8 1893
Homerton
London

1911 census -
Address: 30 Church Hill Road Homerton
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 70 1841 Retired Grocer London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married
51 years F 70 1841 Assisting In The Business London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 50 1861 Potman Li Victualler London Homerton VIEW
JASON, Harriett H Daughter Widow F 36 1875 Packer Sorter In Laundry London Homerton VIEW
JASON, Charles Grandson M 4 1907 London W Hth VIEW
C, Lilian Elizabeth Visitor Single F 18 1893 London Homerton

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:32

1891 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 13, The Grove, Hackney, South Hackney

SMITH, Henry Head Married M 50 1841 Grocer
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 50 1841
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 30 1861 Cheese Monger
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 29 1862 Waiter
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Lizzie Daughter Single F 25 1866 Boot Machinist
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 15 1876 Errand Boy
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Homerton
London

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:33

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 52, Brook Street, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 40 1841 Shopkeeper
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1841
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 20 1861 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 19 1862 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1866 Helps In Shop
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alice Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Single F 0 1881
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 17:39

Sorry, so many things to double check and confirm. The last 3 posts are all correct. They are all confirmed relatives.
Because of all of the help, posts are being submitted as we are replying to earlier ones.
I stated in the opening that I was able to find Henry Smith in the 1841 and 1851 census, but needed help working out which one was the correct one. I really do think you are right in your research, but I have to be sure.
I am now trying to find deaths of Henry Smiths at a young age, this would explain why they can't be found in the 1851 census.

OK, I have found 10 Henry Smith deaths in Bethnal Green between 1841 and 1851. Problem is, it doesn't state their ages.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:44

1861 England Census
about Eliza Broomhead
Name: Eliza Broomhead
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon the Zealot
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 208
Household Members: Name Age
James Broomhead 45
Eliza Broomhead 45
Caroline Broomhead 17
William Broomhead 11
Henry Broomhead 8
James Broomhead 5


Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 17:52

1911 census -
Address: 30 Church Hill Road Homerton
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 70 1841 Retired Grocer London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married
51 years F 70 1841 Assisting In The Business London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 50 1861 Potman Li Victualler London Homerton VIEW
TOWN, Harriett H Daughter Widow F 36 1875 Packer Sorter In Laundry London Homerton VIEW
TOWN, Charles Grandson M 4 1907 London W Hth VIEW
CASON, Lilian Elizabeth Visitor Single F 18 1893 London Homerton


Have corrected the surnames for Harriet and Charles. It looks like Jason on the census, but knowing it is Town, it becomes clear to see.. Perhaps because she had a mental illness, as this wasn't stated on any census either.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 17:54



Eliza Broomhead Baptism 15 Sep 1846 James Broomhead Eliza Broomhead St Mary, Haggerston Hackney Middlesex
Living at 12 John Street. father is a Turner

Edward Corbett Broomhead Baptism 15 Sep 1846 James Broomhead Eliza Broomhead St Mary, Haggerston Hackney Middlesex
Living at 12 John Street. father is a Turner

Henry Broomhead Baptism 15 Sep 1846 James Broomhead Eliza Broomhead St Mary, Haggerston Hackney Middlesex
Living at 12 John Street. father is a Turner

William Broomhead Baptism 15 Sep 1846 James Broomhead Eliza Broomhead St Mary, Haggerston Hackney Middlesex
Living at 12 John Street. father is a Turner

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 18:07

1871 census - address transcription
Address: Ely Place, Bethnal Green, London
93 BROOMHEAD, James Head M 56 1815 London VIEW
93 BROOMHEAD, Ellen Wife F 58 1813 Middlesex VIEW
93 BROOMHEAD, Henry Son M 18 1853 Middlesex VIEW
93 BROOMHEAD, James Son M 15 1856 Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 18:08

next door

1871 census - address transcription
Address: Ely Place, Bethnal Green, London

94 BROOMHEAD, William Head M 21 1850 Middlesex VIEW
94 BROOMHEAD, Elizabeth Wife F 23 1848 London VIEW
94 BROOMHEAD, Eliza Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 18:12

I have trawled through 1871 Ely Street

Now for

1871 census - address transcription
Address: Digby St, Bethnal Green, London
101 SMITH, Elizabeth Head F 54 1817 Middlesex VIEW
101 SMITH, Emma Daughter F 20 1851 Middlesex VIEW
101 SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter F 18 1853 Middlesex VIEW
101 SMITH, Harriet Daughter F 16 1855 Middlesex VIEW
101 SMITH, George Son M 13 1858 Middlesex VIEW
101 SMITH, Thomas Son M 10 1861 Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 18:31

ah the missing 1871
Says Bethnal Green on the original

1871 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: Brook St, St John Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head M 30 1841 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife F 30 1841 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son M 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son M 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1866 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Caroline Daughter F 2 1869 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Emma Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 18:48

Now the 1871 looks promising Kira.
I have no records for Emma and Caroline ...yet but all of the others fit well. This was one of the census I couldn't find. TY I will delve into the daughters..perhaps they died young.

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 18:59

Kira, I can confirm the 1871 census is correct. That's 2 more relatives to add!!
I can also add that Emma and Caroline both died at the same time in 1871.
I remembered the 1911 census, which a friend found for me, has living and dead children. Henry and Eliza had 14 children, 7 died. So there are more to find.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 19:25

Name: Caroline Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Dec 1868
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 19:28

Name: Emma Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 24 Apr 1870
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 19:34

Name: Elizabeth Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 14 Sep 1865
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 19:44

bingo

Name: Elizabeth Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 May 1867
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Address & Brook street as with Elizabeth above

BUT
entry on original parish register immediately above is

Harriett Smith 10 may 1867 dau of Frederick and Elizabeth
shoemaker

In fact 5 smith children at same address and 3 different parents

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 19:47

henry son of henry and eliza twine spinner
John ditto
Elzabeth
William

David son of Jhn and Sarah twine spinner

Wendy

Wendy Report 14 Apr 2010 19:52

2 Elizabeth Smiths to the same parents born 2 years apart? 14 Sep 1865 is Lizzie, later Elizabeth Cason. Who is the 10 May 1867? Or is that a typo, and Harriet's Baptism date?

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 14 Apr 2010 19:52

Name: Harrit Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 15 Nov 1874
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

father is rope maker same address